Woodalls Open Roads Forum: Tow Vehicles: Chevy 454 Dually Vs Ford 460 Dually
Open Roads Forum Already a member? Login here.   If not, Register Today!  |  Help

Newest  |  Active  |  Popular  |  RVing FAQ Forum Rules  |  Forum Help and Support  |  Contact

Search:   Advanced Search

Search only in Tow Vehicles

Open Roads Forum  >  Tow Vehicles

 > Chevy 454 Dually Vs Ford 460 Dually

This Topic Is Closed  |  Print Topic  |  Post New Topic  | 
Page of 3  
Next
jerem0621

Tennessee

Senior Member

Joined: 05/17/2009

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 09/04/11 02:53pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I would like to upgrade to a larger truck and have resigned myself to a dually crew cab. I am down to these two trucks. My budget doesn't really allow for the PSD or else that is what I would get.

So I am looking for a mid 90's dually with either of the big gas motors listed above. I would like a manual transmission.

Can anybody provide feedback on which of the two is better?

I am not a brand guy (tend to lean Ford), I will buy the best I can afford though. But are there issues with either of these beast that would cause one to choose one brand over another.

Chevy had a 4x4 option in the dually, I think that the Ford was a little heaver?

I know the Chevy was IFS so I expect it to get a little better on the ride.

Anyway, any preferences one way or the other.

I do a little hunting and fishing so I am leaning a little towards the Chevy with 4x4. I want a dually, simply because I want one, and will never have to worry about payload and stability again. (hopefully)

Should I skip both and save for a superduty dually with a V10? (My budget is going to be around 5-7k so I have to shop older)

Thanks!


2014 Chrysler Town And Country
3.6 Pentastar V6

"It's Kind of Fun To Do The Impossible"
~Walt Disney~

Turtle n Peeps

California

Senior Member

Joined: 06/23/2008

View Profile


Online
Posted: 09/04/11 03:55pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

460 and the 454 are both really good engines. No real problems that I know of with either.

That being said I would not let an engine dictate what brand I would buy.

IOW if you can get a great buy on a Ford truck buy it. Same with the Chevy.


~ Too many freaks & not enough circuses ~


"Life is not tried ~ it is merely survived ~ if you're standing
outside the fire"


Bumpyroad

Virginia

Senior Member

Joined: 12/01/2005

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 09/04/11 04:28pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

the 454 in the chevy P-32 chassis had issues during that time frame. don't know about the one in a pick up however.
bumpy





SoCalDesertRider

Arizona desert

Senior Member

Joined: 12/14/2003

View Profile



Posted: 09/04/11 05:06pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If you want 4wd and dual rear wheels in a pickup from the 90's and the choice is between Ford and GM, the choice is extremely easy to make. You have to choose the GM truck, that is your only choice. Ford did not make 4wd dually pickups in the 90's. All Ford dually pickups were 2wd only in the old body style. Ford didn't start making 4wd dually pickups until they came out with the new Superduty body trucks in '99.

If you really want a 4wd dually Ford from the 90's, you either have to look for an F350DRW 4wd cab/chassis truck (no pickup bed, commonly have flatbed or utility service body), which were available with regular 2-door cab only, no crew cab, or buy an F350SRW 4wd pickup, which were available in regular 2-door cab and 4-door crew cab, and convert it to duals (change out the whole rear axle assembly). I have one of each, a '97 F350DRW 4wd cab/chassis diesel/auto and a '92 F350SRW 4wd crew cab pickup gas/auto.

With either of the engines, 460 or 454, be sure to get one with the 4.10 axle ratio. The 460 with 3.55's is a dog and the 454 with 3.73's isn't much better. If you can find a Chevy with a 454 and factory 4.56's, that would be your best choice for pulling power. 4.56 is rare, but Chevy did offer them in their pickups in the 90's.

If you want the manual tranny, the Fords came with the ZF 5 speed with low first gear and overdrive 5th. It has an aluminum one-piece case. I believe GM trucks of that time used the NV4500, which has an iron case and aluminum bell housing, low first gear and overdrive 5th. The NV4500 is the better tranny of the two.

The Ford will have the 10.25" Ford/Sterling/Visteon rear axle, 8250 lbs rated for the dually. The Chevy will have the GM Corporate 14-bolt 10.50" rear axle in the dually, about 10K rated.


05E350 6.0PSD
97F350DRW 7.3PSD 4x4 4.10 11' flatbed
98Ranger
69Bronco ATC250R CR500
20' BigTex flatbed carhauler
Callen Camper

92F350 CrewCab 4x4 351/C6
B&W TurnoverBall, Curt Magnum V
HD Springs Bilsteins,
285/75-16E BFG AT on 16x8 Stocktons
4.56's & LockRite rear

KD4UPL

Swoope, VA

Senior Member

Joined: 03/16/2008

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member

Offline
Posted: 09/04/11 05:32pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I would vote for the Chevy but then I'm a Chevy guy.
I do know that Chevy made considerable improvements to their V8s, including ht 454 when they came out with the Vortec series. I think this started in '96 or '97. Getting the Vortec 454 verses the earlier version will get you more power and better heads among other improvements.

Pauljdav

Everett, Wa

Senior Member

Joined: 12/01/2008

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 09/04/11 05:33pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I really like my Chevy 454 K3500, but I would buy the truck that was in better shape and better maintained. If they are the same i would buy the one with more comfort or features I want.


Paul

carringb

Corvallis, OR

Senior Member

Joined: 07/28/2003

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 09/04/11 06:44pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

jerem0621 wrote:


Should I skip both and save for a superduty dually with a V10? (My budget is going to be around 5-7k so I have to shop older)

Thanks!


That's what I would do. The V10 is many times more reliable than either of those V8s. (It's not really the motors themselves, but more everything attached to them)


Bryan

2000 Ford E350 DRW Wagon, V10 - 385,000 miles
2014 CreekSide 31KQBS (QuadSlide bunkhouse)


SoCalDesertRider

Arizona desert

Senior Member

Joined: 12/14/2003

View Profile



Posted: 09/04/11 07:10pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I don't think the V10 is any more reliable than a 454 or 460. A V10 in the early years he is looking for will have a 4R100 auto, which is not really much better than an E4OD and not as good as a C6, TH400 or 4L80E. IF he can find a V10 Superduty truck with a manual trans, it will have the ZF 6 speed, which is better than the ZF 5speed. Also, V10's in the early years he is talking about had the spark plug blowing out of the head problem...

If he had enough money to afford a 2005+ truck with 3v V10 motor and TorqShift 5spd auto, that would be a major improvement over an earlier truck for sure.

SoCalDesertRider

Arizona desert

Senior Member

Joined: 12/14/2003

View Profile



Posted: 09/04/11 07:30pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If I had only $5-7K to spend and I wanted a crew cab 4wd dually pickup with a gas engine, in nice condition, I would be looking for a '73-'91 Chevy/GMC K30 with a 454 and 4.10 or 4.56 gears.

carringb

Corvallis, OR

Senior Member

Joined: 07/28/2003

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 09/04/11 07:32pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

SoCalDesertRider wrote:

I don't think the V10 is any more reliable than a 454 or 460.


Starter, Fuel pump, exhaust manifolds, 4R100, radiator, transmission cooler are all improved over the 460. And I think the V10 will last longer too (although, even the 460 can outlast many owners).

I have a 460 powered E350 as a spare when for big trips. The V10 has far superior cooling. When temps are above 90F, it becomes very apparent. The 460 will overheat if you keep the pedal mashed to the floor in hot weather, but I've never seen above 208F in the V10.

This Topic Is Closed  |  Print Topic  |  Post New Topic  | 
Page of 3  
Next

Open Roads Forum  >  Tow Vehicles

 > Chevy 454 Dually Vs Ford 460 Dually
Search:   Advanced Search

Search only in Tow Vehicles


New posts No new posts
Closed, new posts Closed, no new posts
Moved, new posts Moved, no new posts

Adjust text size:

© 2014 Woodalls | Terms & Conditions | PRIVACY POLICY | YOUR PRIVACY RIGHTS