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RE: For you Ford 6.7L owners
One can charge and counter-charge here all they want about warranty claims vs denials.
But one absolutely cannot argue about the fact that there IS an NHTSA investigation in progress about these pumps.
If one wants to be an ostrich and stick their head in the sand, go ahead.
I'm NOT spouting about GM being better than Ford being better than Dodge here. I really don't care, as I have owned ALL three major diesels. All were good for me, some better than others.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/24/12 01:12pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: For you Ford 6.7L owners
It is worth noting that this applies to more than just Ford owners.
The Bosch 4.2 series pump is used in:
Ford 6.7L diesel - 2011 and 2012 models
GM Duramax engines -2012 models
The Bosch 4.1 series pump ( one cylinder versus two on the 4.2) is used in:
VW, Audi and several other diesel powered sedans.
ALL have reported problems. The NHTSA investigation is ongoing into the Audi/VW pumps, with Ford/GM being dragged into this also because of their use of the Bosch pumps.
There is one major factor so far. Ford has been denying warranty claims, with the escape route of water in fuel claimed by Ford.
GM on the other hand has warrantied all failures in their vehicles. And from reports, failure rates for Ford and GM are about the same percentage, overall about 2% to 3% of total vehicles. Not a lot, but not funny, nor cheap, if you're a Ford owner whose HPFP commits suicide.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/24/12 09:00am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Sturgis Week
If you can swing it, you should try to arrive in the Black Hills sometime after the middle of August, the number of motorcycles just kind of overwhelms the solitude and enjoyment of the area during Sturgis Rally. And as other posters have noted, prices are high during that week of the rally, and maybe a few days before and after too.
I can only give a hearty "Second" to that idea. If you've never been around the Sturgis Rally, then you cannot even imagine how overcrowded that area becomes.
I would not even attempt to vacation in that area during the Rally. No way, shape or form, UNLESS I was there for the rally itself.
I worked the rally several times in law enforcement capacity. Imagine a traffic jam of motorcycles, tire to tire almost, stretching from Sturgis to Deadwood on US 14.
Stay out and stay away until the madness is over.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/24/12 05:58am |
Roads and Routes
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RE: For you Ford 6.7L owners
So if you dont use their additive your warranty is voided?
I don't really think it would make a difference, one way or the other. Fords escape route on this issue seems to be the old water in fuel and finding a rust spot somewhere. I just had mine re-flashed on a recall, and it appears now that water in fuel should log on your vehicle, at least that is my understanding.
The thing here which is important, is to recognize that the Canadian diesel fuel standards are better than the US.
Canada mandates a wear scar factor of 460 for their fuel, while the US standard is higher at a 520 wear scar factor.
Since all I have read anywhere on this Bosch 4.2 HPFP is that Bosch built this pump to operate best on 460 wear scar rated fuel, then what is going on with the Canadian vehicles????????
If they are starting to see issues with the HPFP's up there, then, like was said earlier about the iceberg, its going to get worse down here.
Additive, EVERY tank for me and hope a lot. On the bright side, there does appear to be a re-worked Bosch 4.2 pump made in the Czech Republic in the production stage now, so what with the NHTSA investigation and all, maybe there is change coming down the road. Like I said, hope.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/24/12 05:44am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Major fuel leak 6.7L Ford Powerstroke
Was that covered under warranty? :-)
the local Ford dealer is going to try and warranty it. Goodwill I am sure, since I bought the truck there. Service manager says that if Ford wants them to send in the fuel line, then that could present a problem. Have to wait and see.
Going to check with the city offices Monday on their local critter ordinances. The city cut down four trees along the edge of my yard (legally city property on the edge of the street) since they were starting to grow into the power lines. Suppose since the tree rats lost living space, they've decided that big, portable shelter in my driveway should be their new smorgasbord. :M
Keep the ideas coming folks, all are much appreciated!
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The Mad Norsky
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05/19/12 10:27pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Major fuel leak 6.7L Ford Powerstroke
I keep all of my trucks indoors. Either in the garage attached to the house, or in my shop. Squirrells/cats/mice/birds etc. can't get to them indoors.
.........Ya know biscuits served with squirrell gravy can be mighty tasty. :B
Neighbor in Alabama when I was a kid used to eat squirrel.
I cannot get mine in the garage at home. Has to sit outside. :S
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The Mad Norsky
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05/19/12 06:39am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Major fuel leak 6.7L Ford Powerstroke
UPDATE 2:
truck is home, repaired.
I will attempt some photos later today. It was a C shaped line going to the main fuel filter which had the pinhole in it. And yes, there is a lift pump leading to this line, located between the first, water filter on the frame below the drivers seat and the main fuel filter on top of the engine.
Now the reason. @#$#%^$%##$%%$#$ tree rats, squirrels, had been chewing on it. Teeth marks all over the line.
Since I am in city limits, taking care of the problem with extreme prejudice (a 22 or 12 gauge) appears out of the question. :B Mind you, I would prefer that, but the neighbors might complain.
So what keeps squirrels out of my engine compartment???????????
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The Mad Norsky
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05/19/12 06:26am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Water filter holder
It is a good idea. I have had one very similar to that one, which I purchased many years back at an RV store in Minot ND.
Only difference is mine has two prongs at the base, which you just stick into the ground.
Another use I found for mine is filtering out the terribly hard water we had at my old residence in North Dakota. I did this when washing my vehicles at home, sure helped. One hose from house to filter, second part from filter to car wash sprayer.
At the least, it got rid of a lot of the sediment we had in the supposedly approved city water source.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/17/12 09:57pm |
Truck Campers
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RE: Major fuel leak 6.7L Ford Powerstroke
UPDATE:
service manager called me this afternoon. He said there was a pinhole in fuel line near filter on top of engine. Sorry that I don't recall his exact description now, because he could have said going to the filter also, I just don't remember now.
They have the new line on rush order, and he said the truck should be repaired and back to me tomorrow.
Oh, and a cement driveway. I am just so happy this happened right at home. I mean, if you're going to break down, it couldn't have happened at a better place.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/17/12 09:42pm |
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RE: Major fuel leak 6.7L Ford Powerstroke
remove fuse for fuel pump (or disconnect relay), turn key on, shift to neutral, push where you need to. Disconnect battery if not sure where to remove fuse or disconnect relay.
Gotta wonder about the shop already.........Good luck Norsky.
I know. :S Then again, common sense says no better way to find a leak than to watch where it is spraying from.
In their defense, the truck had only been there for a few minutes when this happened. Gotta have some time to think I guess.
But yes. With these new diesels, I wonder if some places can actually fix a problem. Remains to be seen here in Yankton.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/17/12 10:09am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Major fuel leak 6.7L Ford Powerstroke
My guess is going to be that a fuel line wasn" fully clipped onto the fuel filter housing and came loose. The clips are unlocked by pulling one clip out and pressing the other in. You could just watch as someone turns the key to the on position, without starting the engine, and see if it starts spewing fuel again.
Just back from the Ford dealership. Truck was taken there about an hour ago. Dropped off in front of their garage door, and they were trying to put it in neutral and push it into the shop.
Since key was turned to On position to get it into neutral (and hood was open) one could see fuel spraying out near the filter housing. So as I left, they were moving on to Plan B, whatever that was.
I asked service manager about possible connection with previous service, and he said they didn't have to go near that area of the engine. He said they did all work from area of drivers door, so I am guessing they had computer hooked up there which did all the work.
Stay tuned!
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The Mad Norsky
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05/17/12 09:07am |
Tow Vehicles
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Major fuel leak 6.7L Ford Powerstroke
Went to go for a drive with my truck today.
As I was starting the truck, I got the immediate impression it was cranking way too long. It should have started much sooner than it did. I would estimate twice the normal cranking time to start the engine.
As soon as it started, just an overwhelming smell of diesel fuel. Looked at my son, said this is NOT right, and shut it off. Didn't run for more than 10 to 15 seconds.
Got out, looked under the front and diesel was just dripping everywhere from the motor to the ground. The puddle it made on the driveway covered from tire to tire in front, and basically the whole underside of the engine compartment, just to give an idea of how much leaked out in such a short time.
I had last used the truck on Friday the 11th of May. At that time, it ran normal, no diesel smells, cranked normally, ran super fine. I had taken it into the local Ford dealer for a recall I had gotten. Ford had to reprogram the PCM, check the Nox module and inspect and or replace the Nox sensor in the tailpipe.
Ford finished that work in about an hour for me, and I drove it home from there. Like I said, it ran normally.
Then this mess.
Local Ford dealer was closed for the day. Seems nothing ever happens during business hours. So I called Ford Roadside Assistance. In my opinion, vehicle is not drive-able, so they are going to pick it up in the morning and take in to the local Ford dealer, which is where I bought the truck.
I will keep you updated on this one. This is my 5th diesel truck, and NEVER had anything like this happen before. And only 4,766 miles on the vehicle. Haven't even done the first oil change yet.:S
Just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling thinking about this.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/17/12 01:01am |
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RE: Well, this is good news!
mowermech:
as far as I know, its a conversion date. Converted by figuring out the time frame shown on the Mayan calendar and then using our current calendars to place that date.
They make a huge fuss about this Mayan calendar, but to my knowledge, there have only ever been two examples of it ever found. Plus add the fact that the translation of what it says in the Mayan language is being debated as being inaccurate. There was one archaeologist who did the translation which has given us this "doomsday" date, and there has been much debate over whether this person actually translated things correctly.
Given that the Mayan gliphs / stone cut figure language is such a picture based, interpretive based symbology, many think that they still do not have the language figured out correctly.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/12/12 03:53pm |
Around the Campfire
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RE: Well, this is good news!
I do get a kick out of this stuff. If the Mayans were so smart, why are they extinct? The Mayan calendar might have ended in 2012 simply because they ran out of room on the rock or didn't know how to spell "et cetera". :)
The Mayans are NOT extinct. There is a very large population of Mayans still living today in southern areas of Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and Belize. I've spoken with Mayans from the Yucatan area of Mexico.
No, I don't speak the native language, but I do speak Spanish. Many still speak their original language, along with Spanish. Fact is, there are some few who only speak the original, native language. Mostly from very rural, isolated areas.
Their civilization is long gone, yes, but as a people, their descendants are still alive, well, and with us today.
And probably ROFLAO at all this end of the world, doomsday stuff over a calendar they quit using a long time ago.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/11/12 05:05pm |
Around the Campfire
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RE: Maybe Dodge should use a Fiat engine.
Love videos of those "Road Trains" via YouTube. One of my favorites, and I'll have to find it, is a professional trucker BACKING one of those 4 trailer rigs into a parking spot.
Here we fret about backing in our fifth wheel or whatever. One trailer, with one, hinged hitch point.
Now try that with 4 trailers behind you. One word. IMPRESSIVE!
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The Mad Norsky
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05/11/12 12:49am |
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RE: Ford's answers to the NHTSA 6.7 Investigation
Interesting NinerBikes. Hope springs eternal. Maybe they will eventually get this right.
For you folks that have to attend summer school in link posting, there is something called the Advance Post Form. Click there, and on top of the dialogue box, in a box with a big blue circle in it, is the link button. Click that and paste your address in and PRESTO! You have a link that works. Like this one
A copy and paste of NinerBikes link. :B
On a semi-related note, I did get a recall notice for my 2011 6.7L diesel. Despite hoping for good things, all I am going to get is a reprogram of the PCM and Nox Sensor Module and a possible replacement of the Nox sensor. :Z
Oh well.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/10/12 10:46pm |
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RE: Diesel MPG?
What gives with the fuel economy (or lack thereof)of diesels? I thought one bought a diesel at least in part for the fuel economy. I just read a consumer report test of all 3 major brand new diesel pick-ups and they stated 13 MPG as the overall mileage. My half-ton gas Chevy will average better than that even with all around town driving and will average 15 or 16 with some highway mixed in. I know one can't compare half with 3/4 ton but still 13 sounds terrible and would seem to diminish the advantage of diesel?My question is, What were you expecting it to be?
I think you will find the real world MPG is going to be better, depending on your driving habits. I usually take those readings from those tests with a grain of salt. Not reliable.
@ 65 MPH on the highway, pretty common for my big dually to get 17 MPG, and it weighs well over 8200 lbs. I could get 20 MPG with my 2006 Dodge Cummins dually at the same speed. Great truck, but a six speed manual and I got tired of rowing the gears.
ON EDIT: another thought also on those road test MPG figures. Those folks are in business for one reason, selling magazines. So they liven things up a lot for their tests.
Now, 13 MPG average???? Well, there was the see who gets to the top of the X percent grade first with 20,000 pounds in tow test.
Then there was the 1/4 mile drag race test. Big Daddy Don Garlits would have been proud.
Now, with the magazine testers basically running the******out of those trucks for whatever time period they had them, is it any wonder that they only averaged 13 MPG??????? Is it a miracle that they got that good an MPG average?????
The only time these trucks were actually real world driven was probably between test sites. New vehicles, motors not really broken in with any of them. I, for one, would never want to own one of the vehicles they tested.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/10/12 08:08pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Buying first 5th Wheel.. Need lots of info!!
Regarding the flipped axles; that may not be necessary if the trailer is running 16 inch rims with , for example, 235/85R16 tires. They are usually tall enough to negate the need for flipping axles.
Flipping axles refers to changing where the springs/axles are fastened together. I had to do this with my first fifth wheel, a 25 foot model. The springs were originally below the axles, but the fifth wheel was way too low for my truck, a 4 X 4 2500 Dodge Ram. So they remounted everything, placing the springs over the axles. Times have changed, I only paid an RV dealer $100 to do this for me.
In my experience, those trailers with 15 inch tires are the ones that do need to be flipped. If your truck and the trailer have similar sized tires (both 16 inch somethings for an example) then you should be OK.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/10/12 08:00pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Buying first 5th Wheel.. Need lots of info!!
Here are some simple math formulas which will assist here.
First, symbols:
GVWR = Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (the pickup)
GCWR= Gross Combined Weight Rating (pickup AND the fifth wheel total weight together)
To find out how much hitch weight/cargo payload capacity your vehicle has:
GVWR - (minus) actual vehicle weight (full fuel, passengers, hitch) = available payload capacity. Hitch here is the actual hitch installed in your vehicle. You can estimate say 150 pounds or so here just for an idea.
This tells you the upper range of what hitch weight a fifth wheel can have (loaded) and still be within the specs of what your vehicle is designed to handle.
GCWR -(minus) actual vehicle weight = maximum weight of trailer you can pull. OK, here is the actual place for that PULL word I ridiculed earlier. There is actually an application for it, but the first formula above has priority. An example for you, using the truck I own now.
13,300 - 8,800 = 4,500 pounds cargo capacity (these new Ford dually's are HEAVY! )
30,000 - 8,800 = 21,200 pounds maximum trailer weight.
So this tells me I can handle a fifth wheel with a max hitch weight loaded of 4,500 pounds, and a maximum loaded trailer weight of 21,200 pounds.
Use that 20% formula others mentioned to estimate max hitch weight, it is usually pretty close.
Weighing your truck is the only way to know exactly what you can and cannot handle. Also, be aware these formulas put you within manufacturers ratings. Experience and reading have shown to me that these manufacturers ratings are based on what they (Ford in this instance for you) consider limits where your vehicle will perform adequately with handling, acceleration and braking with such a load.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/10/12 10:55am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Buying first 5th Wheel.. Need lots of info!!
A short education for you is in order then, since you are new at this.
1) any and all RV salesmen will tell you your truck can PULL any fifth wheel they are trying to sell. This is only a half-truth at best, and a lot of times, a total lie. Pulling a fifth wheel is actually NOT the important part. CARRYING the hitch weight of a fifth wheel IS the important part.
2) An F-250 short box is NOT a good size truck. However, it is a very capable vehicle as long as you remember to match it up with a proper sized fifth wheel. That means finding a fifth wheel that truck can CARRY properly, without overloading the tires or axles on the vehicle.
3) you do NOT need a 1 ton, as long as you forget about those 35 foot size fifth wheels that look so nice on the interior. Most are way too heavy for your vehicle.
Now prepare properly. First thing I suggest is you fill up your truck with fuel and go find a reputable scale somewhere and get it weighed with you and the hubby IN the vehicle. That way you have an idea of what kind of cargo carrying capacity you have left to CARRY the planned hitch weight of any future fifth wheel.
Also remember, or learn, that a short box pickup generally needs what is called a slider hitch to hook the fifth wheel up to. That way the front of the fifth wheel does not hit the cab of your truck during turns.
Best of luck, and remember to come on back here for more help once you have done some of your homework.
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The Mad Norsky
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05/10/12 01:24am |
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