Zaefire
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Quote:Ok, I'll make one last post, than I'm done on the subject.
Dylansmom, no offense meant to you or your beloved dog.
I have heard every dog owner say the same things all of my life..
That German Shepherd that tore me up at my age 7 'wouldn't hurt anyone.' And even after the attack, the owner said I was waving a package of bologna at the dog! Oh my..I was nearly killed for that bologna, but my Mom sent me to the store for it. The dog got it btw.
I agree that bad dog owners cause a lot of the problems.
I lived in a town where dogs run loose and no one enforces the leash laws. We saw packs of 4-7 dogs running loose. Bad dog owners! We had to carry a club and a bottle of water with ammonia just to walk to the post office. Bad dog owners. Dogs would race out of yards and come at us. We never hit or squirted one.
The local clinic treats so many kids who have been bitten by dogs there the Family Nurse Practitioner told me about the ammonia/water thing. Bad dog owners.
I have a niece who will not speak to me because her Australian Heeler (correct me if that is wrong) came after me and I told her to leash him when I visited..(after all, he wouldn't hurt anyone!)
I happen to love wolf/malamute (sp) dogs and they are on the 'forbidden' list. I lived near 7 of them and only my husband could get near the 3 adult ones...not even the owner. Call me nuts, but I like them from a distance.
You are SO right about little yappy dogs..I had one long ago that would rip you up if you touched one of my sons. Nasty little creature. She died in a fire and my sons cried for a long time.
This is a sensitive subject, and I think your and my and everyone's opinions are valid.
But I meant no offense to you personally.
Peace
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BWhite
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Pitbull owners always have "friendly dogs that are great with kids " ...while the dog is being taken away for attacking someone . Mix breed pit owners always try to deemphasize the pit bull part " My dog is mostly whatever other mix . They talk like they are geneticists .
I am sorry but that test is just another lame protectionist prank to protect dangerous dogs . If pitbull owners were concerned owners they would call their insurance companies and up their liability insurance to the max limits and wait and hope nobody gets hurt .
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Deb and Ed M
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I wouldn't say that I'm "pitbull phobic" - but I always give an extra large space between myself and any breed that makes a "macho" dog (pitbull/rottie/dobie/German Shepherd, etc) For as many breeders who are producing fine, family animals; there are morons who can bring out their very worst aspects....and it's not that they bite more often than other breeds - it's just that they do so much damage when they do.
Personally - I've had more scary run-ins with Cockers.....
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Luv2Camp53
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We had a very sad experience with our Molly and a couple of dobermans six weeks ago. We were camping at a campground that is about 35 minutes from our home, and we camp there often. It was fairly early in the morning, about 8:00 and I was sitting outside with Molly and our neighbor who had a miniature dachshund. We were drinking a cup of coffee and our little dogs were playing with each other. They were on 16 foot leads, so they had a little freedom, although they could not reach the road, or get out of our campsites. The two dobermans were being walked on the road by our campsites by two very small children, and they were on ropes, not leashes. When the dobies saw our little babies, one of them growled and attacked. The little child was completely unable to maintain control of that big dog and it got to my Molly and bit her on her flank and leg. I know you should not approach an animal that is attacking, but I ran to my baby and got her away from the doberman. She was screaming and yelping in pain, and I ran with her to our trailer. Meanwhile, a man in a neighboring campsite got control of the doberman. By the time I attended to Molly's leg, the two children and the dobermans were gone. DH determined that the injury was severe enough that Molly needed to be seen by a vet, so we left our trailer and drove in to town immediately. It turned out there was some tendon damage done and she had to have surgery a couple of days later. It cost us just over $900.00 and she is still not 100% in terms of the use of her leg. By the time we got back to our trailer, much later in the day after seeing the vet and dropping Molly off at my mothers, the man who got control over the doberman was gone, and the camp hosts were unable to identify the people who had the dobermans. DH and I walked the campground several times, but never spotted either the dogs or the two children, so we assume they left while we were in town at the vets. This dog attacked for no reason that I could determine. Molly and Bailey, the dachshund, were on leads and in our campsites. They were paying no attention to the dobies on the road, they were involved in playing with each other and were not threatening the dobermans in any way. This attack came out of nowhere and was fast and vicious. I have no doubt that we would have lost our little Molly if I had not been able to get her away from that dog. Molly is a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. For those unfamiliar with this breed, they are small, gentle little dogs whose only purpose in life is to be a loving companion. The breed is inherently good natured and even tempered. Molly is a trained Therapy Dog and has her Canine Good Citizen Certificate, so she often visits in nursing homes, and childrens wards in hospitals. My point is that Molly did nothing to incite the attack. I do believe that if adults had been walking the dobermans instead of the two small kids, using proper leashes or harnesses, the dog would not have been able to get away to attack Molly. People have told me that the dog may have attacked because it perceived Molly or Bailey as a threat to the children, or possibly the other doberman was a female and the one who attacked was a male who thought that Bailey, who is an intact male, was a threat. Bailey was able to get to safety faster than Molly, so Molly was attacked. I don't know, and I really don't care. This is not an attack on dobermans, I have a friend who has a big old doberman male who is as sweet natured as they come. But any dog who may possibly become over protective, or violent, should not be in a campground that is teeming with children and other animals. Children should not walk dogs they may possibly lose control of. What if Molly had been a small child, instead of a small dog. What a tragedy that would have been.
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I agree that vicious dogs don't belong at campgrounds. But it does peave me to see a person who is walking there dog right up on another campsite where there is visably another dog. It is asking for problems. I have 2 beagles neither are vicious, I think the worst they would do is knock you over if you weren't paying attention to them (ages 8 and 7). We will see people walking there dogs right next to our camper. while we are outside. They are dogs, my older dog is a grumpy man when it comes to his campground boundaries, yelling to get off (baying), he has never attacked anyone. I was asked once to keep him quiet by another camper, but when I asked the person to keep there yorkie on a leash instead of walking into our site and crapping they thought I was being unreasonable. My dogs stay in the camper when we aren't there. They will only bark when something is not right, they pretty much will laydown and go to sleep. When I walk our 2 dogs we will avoid other sites containing dogs out of respect for the other campers, plus you never know when a site has a friendly dog or non friendly, or a leashed/unleashed dog.
I don't want to stir a bee's nest but thats my opinnion
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Happytraveler
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That's ashame what happened to Molly. We were camped next to a Chow and was informed by the owners to watch our dog because there dog can attack other dogs, otherwise he was a very nice dog. They told me they have paid a few medical bills on other dogs because of the dog attacks. It was the worst 4 days on a camping trip I ever had because I was always in fear that my dog would get loose. Never again will I ever camp next to a vicious dog.
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Happytravler, if you had gone to the camp office and informed those in charge of the chow's aggresive nature, is there a chance you could have been moved to another spot or better yet, the ppl with the chow could have been asked to leave?? Being a victim of vicious dog attacks, I have a deep seated fear. I was attacked by a chow when I was 6 yrs old (still have scar on my face) and then when I was about 12 yrs old I was bitten on my leg by a dog while riding my bike.
I am amazed at how many ppl allow their dogs of all sizes and breeds to roam freely. One place, the family had two very large dogs tied up to some trees with warning signs posted around their camp. To top it off, they were camped next to the bathrooms and showers.
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Quote:Liberty Mutual will not provide coverage for
Akita, Alaskan Malmute, Chow, Doberman,German Shepard, PitBull Terrier (AKA Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or American Staffordshire Terrier) Rottweiler ,Siberian Husky,Presa Canrio (AKA Dogo Canario, Canary Dog, Perro Basto,Verdino) or any cross /mix unless strict requirements are met .
It’s to bad to hear about Molly. The owners showed their true colors by not coming to you and offering to pay all the medical bills. I am not surprised they took off they knew they had a problem and it probably wasnt the first time . Like you, I would do what ever it took to stop my dog from being attacked including getting right down on the ground in the middle. If I got injured I would hire the biggest shark toothed lawyer and go after them criminally if possible and most definitely civilly .
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Poor Molly. That makes me so mad that those dogs were allowed to be in that campground to begin with. I could not believe the hosts of the campground did not know the people or their address. Didn't they have to call on the phone to make a reservation or leave a credit card for a deposit. Those people should have paid the $900 vet bill or the campground should have paid it for allowing a very dangerous situation to have occurred. The campground was very lucky it was not a small child. Campgrounds need to take 2 minutes to ask a few simple questions of dog owners. 1. Are your dog's vaccinations up to date? We need to see proof of this upon arrival. 2. Does your dog get along with people? 3. Does your dog get along with other dogs?
4. Does your dog bark all day long? These four questions that would insure a safe, quiet and restful campground. I have already written two letters to the campgrounds where our dog was attacked telling them the importance of these four questions. I have also requested that people with dogs be spread out at a campground and not just put in the DOG SECTION that just causes more problems with all those dogs in one place.
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CatandJim
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Donna & Stan that is horrible about your Molly being injured. I am so sorry. Just awful!
This kind of problem can be found in neighborhoods, campgrounds, dog parks, heck...even at Petco. It truly is a shame that some people don't use any common sense when they take their dogs into public places. I mean it isn't that hard to figure out if your dog doesn't do well in strange places with other dogs or people and if they can't be trained out of it then stay out of those places/situations.
From what I have heard and witnessed over the years a lot of innocent "bystander" dogs are hurt by other not so well trained dogs being walked by a child or person not big enough to control it. Such a shame.
Be safe y'all!
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