ve6gpn
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Most of the f650's and 750's I have seen use the c-7 or c-12 dont they? I have never seen a v-8 in anything bigger than a f550.
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jwduke
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Buy the Dodge, you will NEVER regret it.
And, the Cummins ISB5.9, has fewer moving parts, than the Duramax & Powerstroke engines.
As for the transmission, (Flame suit on) the 48RE is every bit as good as the Allison Auto (Flame suit off).
Good luck with your choice!
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lilhowlinwolf
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ve6gpn wrote:Most of the f650's and 750's I have seen use the c-7 or c-12 dont they? I have never seen a v-8 in anything bigger than a f550.
According to Ford's website, the engines available are the ISB Cummins, C7 Cat and 6.0 Navi. www.commtruck.ford.com/ctw/default.asp
I've seen the engine parts in a Cummins, vs Navi's and Chevy and they don't compare in size or heft. They have 40% fewer parts because they are inline sixes and are well balanced.
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work2much
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We love our Dodge. I drive a Powerstroke diesel for a work truck and would not reccommend it. The Chevy trucks seem nice. My brother in (common) law drives a new dually and I was impressed.
The Cummins in my opinion is the best motor. People swap this motor into chevy's, fords, and others. There are businesses that specialize in putting the Cummins into late and early model fords, chevys and customs. Can't say that about the navistar or duramax. The straight six engine has fewer moving parts which means for a given displacement the components can be made much stouter for a given engine weight.
The cummins motor in over the road trucking application run many hundreds of thousands of miles between overhauls.
All that being said, and knowing I probably myself will replace any truck after 10 or so years, so not sure how much the longevity will play out other than resale value.
As posters above have recommended, go with the Chevy, or Dodge, whichever one you like the most.
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curt12914 wrote:You said nothing about other applications. Your statement was "The Cummins 5.9 IS THE ONLY MD ENGINE in a pickup...PERIOD..", which is 100% wrong.
Since Navistar/International produces twice as many 6.0 (Or VT-365) engines than Cummins produces 5.9 (at least this year), I would go out on a limb and say there could be more 6.0 engines in medium duty trucks, than 5.9 Cummins (but I don't know that to be fact).
The 444 (7.3) was discontinued sometime in 02 or 03 and replaced by the 6.0 (VT-365) in both the Ford pickups and the International medium duty trucks. No 444 engines have been used since.
As far as the glow plugs go, many industrial engines use glow plugs. Cummins elects to use grid heaters which work well, too.
I'm glad there are glow plugs in the 6.0, since mine started Tuesday morning ( not plugged in, outside all night) when the thermometer read -21 F here.
The post is Correct... The Cummins is the ONLY MD engine in a LIGHT TRUCK!!! As far as Glow plugs, I am VERY HAPPY the Cummins has none.. On a recent hunting trip the Dodges all started and the Fords had trouble....
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IMO there is a big difference between the true VT365 and the powerstroke badged VT365. They are tuned way differently. The VT365 in its raw form is rated 175hp/460trq at the low end and 230hp/620trq at the high end. I think Ford is the major reason the powerstroke has had problems.
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ve6gpn
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Ford used their own electronics in their trucks. This gave them the grief in the early years. But now alot of the vt365's are having issues. Most of them are in the ce buses. Havent seen many issues in the 4000 series trucks.
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mr. ed
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QUOTE: The Cummins is the ONLY MD engine in a LIGHT TRUCK!!! As far as Glow plugs, I am VERY HAPPY the Cummins has none.. On a recent hunting trip the Dodges all started and the Fords had trouble....
As a future purchaser of a new Dodge/Cummins truck I'm curious as to how the Dodge starts in cold weather without glow plugs. What process is used? An inquiring mind wants to know...
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Quote:The Cummins engine uses an air intake grid heater as a cold starting aid while Power Stroke® Diesel uses electronically controlled glow plugs which provide faster and more reliable starting in cold weather
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mr. ed wrote:QUOTE: The Cummins is the ONLY MD engine in a LIGHT TRUCK!!! As far as Glow plugs, I am VERY HAPPY the Cummins has none.. On a recent hunting trip the Dodges all started and the Fords had trouble....
As a future purchaser of a new Dodge/Cummins truck I'm curious as to how the Dodge starts in cold weather without glow plugs. What process is used? An inquiring mind wants to know...
When it drops below zero, I plug in the truck. It is really noisy if I don't upon start up, ask the folks camping next to us! Runs great, no engine issues at all, have 150k on my 03' 2500 dodge. Just pulled my wildcat 32QGBB cross country this last month, lot's of cold weather, ice etc. The trailer has been rolling great, although I am nice to the auto tranny, it has had no issues other than a recall for a trans cooler replacement I believe a few years ago. I wear out U joints now at this mileage and replaced the front brakes at 110k and the rears at 140k. This truck has been worked hard but taken care of, lots of towing loads up and over the rockies. I am looking at trading up to a mega cab dually, mostly since the kids legs are a bit longer now and I think the dual wheels will be more stable on some of the twisting shelf roads across Colorado. The tires offered by Dodge didn't do it at all for me and have run Goodyear MTR's with lot's of success (50k each set) but I do alot of driving on very rough terrain. Good luck in your choice, I have drivven the Chevy and while the ride seemed smoother to me than my current Dodge, I liked the solid axle traction and slightly higher ride height.
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