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Topic: fifth wheel that can be pulled by 1/2 ton pickup

Posted By: Simmang on 08/12/08 05:05pm

We just bought a new Silverado 4/Dr truck with the 5.8 liter engine, 1/2 ton. Does anyone know of a fifth wheel that this truck could pull? Thanks!


Posted By: Mandalay Parr on 08/12/08 05:17pm

I wouldn't. Not enough truck for stability reasons. One ton dually much better.


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Posted By: McIrish on 08/12/08 05:41pm

I'm sure you'll find a smaller 5th wheel that your truck will pull. Just do some google searches to see what's available.


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Posted By: Rvndave on 08/12/08 05:42pm

A fiver needs 20-25% of total weight for the tounge weight. I recommend you use the GVWR of the 5er to determine tounge weight. Advertised dry weights, and tounge weights are bogus. Most salespeople will tell you whatever it takes to make the sale. Do your own math. Since you already have the truck fill it with fuel and whatever you have that you might take camping, and have it weighed. Subtract this weight from the GVWR found on the trucks driver door, or door post. Unless you have a negative number, this is the weight you can still add to your truck. Fifth wheel hitches will add around 200 pounds. Don't forget to add people 150 pounds each is normal.

I suspect you can get away with a smaller 5th wheel.

* This post was edited 08/12/08 05:48pm by Rvndave *


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Posted By: curt12914 on 08/12/08 05:57pm

Mandalay Parr wrote:

I wouldn't. Not enough truck for stability reasons. One ton dually much better.


Maybe a HDT (Class 7 or Class 8 truck) would be better. That should be enough truck to tow a 5000 lb fifth wheel!!!!! I'm sorry, but a one ton dually isn't needed (and actually looks a ittle ridiculous) to tow a small fifth wheel.

Starting about 4 years ago, the tow ratings of "half-ton" pickups increased drastically and is often higher than some of the older 3/4 ton pickups.

Check the weights of your truck and try to find a fifth wheel that matches it. A couple brands that come to mind are Jayco and Cougar. There are many others, but I just can't think of them. I'm sure others can recommend many other options.


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Posted By: john b on 08/12/08 06:08pm

Simmang wrote:

We just bought a new Silverado 4/Dr truck with the 5.8 liter engine, 1/2 ton. Does anyone know of a fifth wheel that this truck could pull? Thanks!


Check out the Cruiser by Crossroads line as they were introduced as 1/2 to towables.
I now need to hurry out to get a dually 1 ton as the one I have been using for 5 years a SRW isn't good enough according to Mr Mandalay.


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Posted By: skipnchar on 08/12/08 06:33pm

I don't know the particulars of YOUR half ton but that's what you need to consider. Many of the newer Fords and Toyotas are rated for towing a large number of 5th wheels but that doesn't mean just ANY half ton can do it without exceeding their rating. Weigh your truck, loaded for travel including the 5th wheel hitch and subtract that number from your GVWR and you'll know how much PIN weight you can handle and that will likely be your limiting factor. Just remember that brochure PIN weights are always for an empty trailer and nobody ever tows around an empty trailer. Use 25% of the GVWR to be safe, as the PIN weight. Good luck / Skip


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Posted By: Ductape on 08/12/08 06:37pm

Welcome to the forum!
First check your manual for tow ratings. BTW there is no 5.8 liter. GM has a 4.8 or a 5.3.

Take those tow ratings with a grain of salt. They're published with reference to base model trucks, no options. Real world will be less.

Now put your truck on a scale, with the same contents you would travel with. Compare your scale numbers to the manual and you'll have the truth.

a. GCVWR from manual - total scale weight = max trailer weight.
b. RAWR from door sticker - scale rear axle = max weight fifth wheel hitch and pin weight.
c. GVWR from door sticker - total scale weight = max weight fifth wheel hitch and pin weight.

b & c are alternate methods to get to the same place, and technically you should use both methods and settle for the lower number.

There are some light fivers out there. Good luck!


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Posted By: bigeking on 08/12/08 06:59pm

Jayco, Heartland, Nu-Wa, and Teton is coming out with one. Crossroads is another---watch your weights as mentioned above. I am sure there are others, check company web sites for more, Good luck.


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Posted By: HedoTravelers on 08/12/08 07:49pm

Ductape wrote:

Welcome to the forum!
First check your manual for tow ratings. BTW there is no 5.8 liter. GM has a 4.8 or a 5.3.


Maybe he has the 6.0 liter?
GM does make a 6.0 liter vortec engine for the 1500 series available in crew cab models.
I also have the 6.0 vortec in my Escalade EXT.


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Posted By: Tiger4x4RV on 08/12/08 07:54pm

Scamp makes a 19-foot 2000-lb fifth wheel.


Posted By: amxpress on 08/12/08 07:58pm

Here are some 5th wheels that will probably work with your Chevy TV.
1) Northwood Mfg. Nash 23-5A. GVWR 10K#, empty 4535#, hitch 900#.
2)Extreme RV/Monterey 235FS. GVWR 9450#, empty 5750#, hitch 850#.
3) Eveland Inc/Scamp 19. GVWR 3500#, empty 2000#, hitch 400#.
4) Allen Camper Mfg/Outpost Lite 199RB. GVWR 4500#. empty 3400. Hitch 500#.
5) Allen Camper Mfg/Idle-Time 2350FRKL. GVWR 5000#. Empty 3750. hitch 550#.
6) R-Vision/Trail Cruiser 526RL. GVWR 8053. empty 5917. hitch 1053.
7) Sun Valley Inc/Road Runner F230SL. GVWR 7000#. empty 3802#. hitch 618#.
Who said a half Ton couldn't tow a 5'er?


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Posted By: TXiceman on 08/12/08 08:08pm

amxpress, better get some real world pin weights on those 5ers. Loaded a 5er will typically run about 20% of the trailer GVWR so that 10,000# 23' Nash will be closer to 2000# than the fictitious 900# and the same for the rest of them.

A 1/2 ton truck gets in trouble on the pin weight of the trailer. Most can't carry more than about 1000# once loaded with passengers and cargo.

The ONLY way to know fro sure is to weigh the truck with full fuel, normal travel cargo, passengers and add 200# for the 5er hitch. This is you Laden Curb weight or LCW.

The manual will have a GVWR for the truck/cab/engine and axle. The door jamb sticker will have a GVWR .

GCWR - LCW = MAXIMUM loaded trailer weight (NOT DRY WEIGHT)

GVWR - LCW = MAXIMUM loaded trailer pin weight.

Practically a 1/2 ton truck will hit the GVWR limit long before it reaches it's GCWR. A 21' 5er will be about the limit per the ratings.

The manufacturers us a dry weight and a manufacturers max tow rating to make you think the trailer can be towed by a 1/2 ton truck....get the real numbers and you are looking a a 3/4 ton truck.

By the same reasoning, a 3/4 ton truck will reach it's GVWr before it reaches GCWR.

They make big trucks fro big trailers and little trucks for little trailers. And NEVER believe a word the deal says about towing.

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Posted By: portablevcb on 08/12/08 08:58pm

Egad. Look up the truck specs and find a trailer to fit. Simple, and, many choices.

My Tundra has a 1600lb load capacity. The trailer is just over 1000lb pin (which is under 20% of gross). We carry the two of us and the dog with some snacks and other stuff. Well under the wt spec. We are careful of what we put in the truck or in the forward part of the trailer.

And, there are many other trailers with less pin weight.

Shop around. At one dealer lot we had a choice of 6 units, 2 new and four used.

Don't let the '1 ton or nothing' folks scare you away. I pass quite a few of them in the hills

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Posted By: Simmang on 08/12/08 10:36pm

Thanks so much for all the good advice!! I will let you know what I find!!


Posted By: Martyn on 08/12/08 11:12pm

Mandalay Parr wrote:

I wouldn't. Not enough truck for stability reasons. One ton dually much better.


What a ludicrous statement. Why not just buy a Freightliner for your 20ft 5er.

To answer the OP's post sensibly, you'll see the majority of 5th wheels being pulled by 3/4 ton pickups. There are some, but only a few, 5ers that can be towed safely by a 1/2 ton. Check the capacities of your truck as provided by the manufacturer and after deducting passengers, fuel and accessories weights etc., from the carrying capacity, see if your remaining number is greater than 20% of the 5er's gross weight rating. If it is you are OK, if it isn't you need a 3/4 ton truck or a lighter trailer. It's all a matter of math.


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Posted By: donawilcox on 08/12/08 11:24pm

There are some out there and do not let some of these guys scare you but also do not let some of the sales people sell you a rig that is two large. I was in a camp ground that a small fifth wheel pulled up. It was very cute. When it got closer I noticed it was a Ford Ranger pulling it. So they are out there but may be smaller than what you want. It looked like it may of been made by the same company that makes the little casita TT. Other issues if you have the 5 1/2 ft bed will also cause you more issues.

Good luck. and welcome to the forum and the world of RVing.


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Posted By: sirdrakejr on 08/12/08 11:33pm

Do a search in this forum for "1/2 ton pickups" and see what you get. There have been many and the answers may help.
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Posted By: Quick trip on 08/12/08 11:48pm

I am towing a fifth wheeler with a 1/2 ton truck.
It's a GMC 1500 with 5.3.
My trailer weighs in at 5665, after loading I am about 200 lbs under total weight of 6800 for my truck.
We have towed up into Canada 2 years ago and last year went all over New Mexico.
Yes, some of the long steep grades had me down to 45 mph in second, but we are iin no hurry.
You have more truck and engine and should beable to tow a fiver.
Oh, mine is a Komfort 23' FS - total length is 24'-9"






Posted By: Rvndave on 08/13/08 04:30am

portablevcb wrote:

Egad. Look up the truck specs and find a trailer to fit. Simple, and, many choices.

My Tundra has a 1600lb load capacity. The trailer is just over 1000lb pin (which is under 20% of gross). We carry the two of us and the dog with some snacks and other stuff. Well under the wt spec. We are careful of what we put in the truck or in the forward part of the trailer.

And, there are many other trailers with less pin weight.

Shop around. At one dealer lot we had a choice of 6 units, 2 new and four used.

Don't let the '1 ton or nothing' folks scare you away. I pass quite a few of them in the hills

charlie


You need to hit the scales and report back, sounds like your guessing on hitch weight.


Posted By: Rvndave on 08/13/08 04:33am

john b wrote:

Simmang wrote:

We just bought a new Silverado 4/Dr truck with the 5.8 liter engine, 1/2 ton. Does anyone know of a fifth wheel that this truck could pull? Thanks!


Check out the Cruiser by Crossroads line as they were introduced as 1/2 to towables.
I now need to hurry out to get a dually 1 ton as the one I have been using for 5 years a SRW isn't good enough according to Mr Mandalay.

Hit the scales for you as well, please let us know what ya find. I am sure your way overloaded.


Posted By: Rvndave on 08/13/08 04:37am

amxpress wrote:

Here are some 5th wheels that will probably work with your Chevy TV.
1) Northwood Mfg. Nash 23-5A. GVWR 10K#, empty 4535#, hitch 900#.
2)Extreme RV/Monterey 235FS. GVWR 9450#, empty 5750#, hitch 850#.
3) Eveland Inc/Scamp 19. GVWR 3500#, empty 2000#, hitch 400#.
4) Allen Camper Mfg/Outpost Lite 199RB. GVWR 4500#. empty 3400. Hitch 500#.
5) Allen Camper Mfg/Idle-Time 2350FRKL. GVWR 5000#. Empty 3750. hitch 550#.
6) R-Vision/Trail Cruiser 526RL. GVWR 8053. empty 5917. hitch 1053.
7) Sun Valley Inc/Road Runner F230SL. GVWR 7000#. empty 3802#. hitch 618#.
Who said a half Ton couldn't tow a 5'er?


This just goes to show you advertised hitch weights are bogus, most of these hitch weights are under 20% when empty, some of know how to do math, many do not!


Posted By: Rvndave on 08/13/08 04:40am

Rvndave wrote:

amxpress wrote:

Here are some 5th wheels that will probably work with your Chevy TV.
1) Northwood Mfg. Nash 23-5A. GVWR 10K#, empty 4535#, hitch 900#.
2)Extreme RV/Monterey 235FS. GVWR 9450#, empty 5750#, hitch 850#.
3) Eveland Inc/Scamp 19. GVWR 3500#, empty 2000#, hitch 400#.
4) Allen Camper Mfg/Outpost Lite 199RB. GVWR 4500#. empty 3400. Hitch 500#.
5) Allen Camper Mfg/Idle-Time 2350FRKL. GVWR 5000#. Empty 3750. hitch 550#.
6) R-Vision/Trail Cruiser 526RL. GVWR 8053. empty 5917. hitch 1053.
7) Sun Valley Inc/Road Runner F230SL. GVWR 7000#. empty 3802#. hitch 618#.
Who said a half Ton couldn't tow a 5'er?


This just goes to show you advertised hitch weights are bogus, most of these hitch weights are under 20% when empty, some of us know how to do math, many do not!



Posted By: MNSmurf on 08/13/08 06:20am

Rvndave wrote:

This just goes to show you advertised hitch weights are bogus, most of these hitch weights are under 20% when empty, some of know how to do math, many do not!


I think you and TXIceman need to do some more research....most 5er's out there with super slides in the living area and no bedroom slide are closer to 15% pin weight than 20%. The trailer in my signature weighs 9500# wet and ready for a week with 1400# on the pin (yes, verified on a CAT scale).


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Posted By: TubaPete on 08/13/08 06:28am

I'll just offer my personal experience. I have a 28 foot that I pulled with a 1500 Silverado similar to yours. I was 50 pounds over the rear axle rating. I upgraded to a 2500HD more for the power than the weight ratings.

So I would guess there are several 24 foot units that will do fine. And not all pin weights are grossly understated. My unit said the dry pin weight was 900 pounds. Fully loaded I come in at 1100.


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Posted By: just5erit on 08/13/08 07:42am

I'll say this again:::

I went through this also a while back. Let me tell you this, if you're not driving a Peterbuilt, Mack, or Freightliner rig you got nothing on this site. I was told also "HELL NO", "NO WAY", "You're going to kill someone". I understand if you ask for an opinion you will get many of them you don't like or don't want to hear. However, I've pulled mine since I bought about 500 miles with no problems and no problems braking. Look at what you got and make a smart informed decision based on your numbers, not others!! Look at what I got, I am pleased and save!!Happy Camping


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Posted By: Oldmanski on 08/13/08 08:13am

We have the 2008 half ton silverado and pull a Coachmen chapperal lite 267rl with a dry weight of 6700# Added air bags and a few other goodies to the truck but it pulls like a dream and we live in the mtns of Tenn. Travelled through Jellico and NC and not a problem at all. We have the ultra short box crew cab with the 12K pullrite superglide hitch. We are in Kingsport, Tn camping in the mtns this week.


Posted By: kaydeejay on 08/13/08 08:14am

just5erit wrote:

I'll say this again:::

I went through this also a while back. Let me tell you this, if you're not driving a Peterbuilt, Mack, or Freightliner rig you got nothing on this site. I was told also "HELL NO", "NO WAY", "You're going to kill someone". I understand if you ask for an opinion you will get many of them you don't like or don't want to hear. However, I've pulled mine since I bought about 500 miles with no problems and no problems braking. Look at what you got and make a smart informed decision based on your numbers, not others!! Look at what I got, I am pleased and save!!Happy Camping
But, as many on this forum have pointed out, the 1500HD is not really a 1/2ton. It is almost a 3/4 ton (2500) without the HD qualifier, sometimes called a "heavy half".
That being said I suspect you are over GVWR even if you are within the rear axle rating. (the more important of the two).
OP has a true 1/2 ton so, while there are trailers out there that he can pull within rating, he does need to watch the weights very carefully.


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Posted By: fleetprowl on 08/13/08 08:45am

Most of the major manufacturers have 5th wheels that are marketed or clearly labeled "1/2 ton towable", "1/2 ton series", etc. The Rockwood ultra lites (what I have) and the Flagstaff super lites aren't specifically labeled 1/2 ton towable, but they would fit into this category too. Just stay with one of these 5th wheels, and you should be fine.






Posted By: badgerman on 08/13/08 09:07am

Look at Starcraft Aruba Lite. They have fifth wheels that should meet your needs.


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Posted By: just5erit on 08/13/08 12:14pm

kaydeejay wrote:

just5erit wrote:

I'll say this again:::

I went through this also a while back. Let me tell you this, if you're not driving a Peterbuilt, Mack, or Freightliner rig you got nothing on this site. I was told also "HELL NO", "NO WAY", "You're going to kill someone". I understand if you ask for an opinion you will get many of them you don't like or don't want to hear. However, I've pulled mine since I bought about 500 miles with no problems and no problems braking. Look at what you got and make a smart informed decision based on your numbers, not others!! Look at what I got, I am pleased and save!!Happy Camping
But, as many on this forum have pointed out, the 1500HD is not really a 1/2ton. It is almost a 3/4 ton (2500) without the HD qualifier, sometimes called a "heavy half".
That being said I suspect you are over GVWR even if you are within the rear axle rating. (the more important of the two).
OP has a true 1/2 ton so, while there are trailers out there that he can pull within rating, he does need to watch the weights very carefully.



Info from: Theautochannel.com For 1/2ton HD slammers!!!!!!!

Chevrolet has the pickup field covered well, with the compact S-10, full-sized Silverado, and extra-large Silverado HD, all in a myriad of configurations and models. To fill a perceived gap in its line, it recently added the Silverado 1500 HD, which combines the half-ton (1500 model) body style with the sturdy three-quarter ton (2500) frame. It is the only 1500-series model available in true crew cab form.

PERFORMANCE: With 300 horsepower at 4400 rpm and 360 lb-ft of torque at 4000 rpm, the Silverado 1500 HD's 6.0-liter V8 is considerably stronger than the old 5.7-liter engine - add 45 hp and 30 lb-ft. It is 55 lbs lighter than the 5.7, thanks in part to aluminum alloy heads, and breathes better because of intake and exhaust ports patterned after those found in the hottest version of the Corvette engine. It is designed for heavy hauling and trailering, and should help the Silverado 1500 HD fill the bill for customers not needing the extreme abilities but less car-like character of the regular 2500 Silverado or the 2500 and 3500 HD models. The four-speed electronically-controlled automatic transmission is nearly as smooth in its shifting as a car transmission, and features a "tow-haul" mode for heavy-duty use. Even with the size and weight of the crew cab body, acceleration is not a problem, and towing capacity at 10,300 lbs., is not exactly weak.


Posted By: milburnschmidt on 08/13/08 01:28pm

We have a 27 ft Sunnybrook 5th wheel and are using a 2003 Silverado with a 5.3 Vortec. We put Firestone airbags on the truck and the unit pulls fine. The dealer checked our specs and everything was in line with the weights, We also got the Reese sliding hitch. Everybody has their own expiriences and preferences but ours handles fine with the original trailer package and we get 13 to 14 MPG. Good Luck


Posted By: bigslim on 08/13/08 01:35pm

milburnschmidt wrote:

We have a 27 ft Sunnybrook 5th wheel and are using a 2003 Silverado with a 5.3 Vortec. We put Firestone airbags on the truck and the unit pulls fine. The dealer checked our specs and everything was in line with the weights, We also got the Reese sliding hitch. Everybody has their own expiriences and preferences but ours handles fine with the original trailer package and we get 13 to 14 MPG. Good Luck


No offense but 13-14 mpg pulling a 5th wheel with a small block 1/2 ton, not likely!


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Posted By: kaydeejay on 08/13/08 01:39pm

just5erit wrote:


Info from: Theautochannel.com For 1/2ton HD slammers!!!!!!!

Chevrolet has the pickup field covered well, with the compact S-10, full-sized Silverado, and extra-large Silverado HD, all in a myriad of configurations and models. To fill a perceived gap in its line, it recently added the Silverado 1500 HD, which combines the half-ton (1500 model) body style with the sturdy three-quarter ton (2500) frame. It is the only 1500-series model available in true crew cab form.................. snip......
Not exactly sure of the point you are making or how old this info is, the most recent I can find is 2003.
GM has not had a 1500HD since 2007 with the previous "Classic" body style.


Posted By: kaydeejay on 08/13/08 01:41pm

milburnschmidt wrote:

We have a 27 ft Sunnybrook 5th wheel and are using a 2003 Silverado with a 5.3 Vortec. ... snip .. and we get 13 to 14 MPG. Good Luck
OK, and how much do you get with the trailer hooked up?
13 mpg is what I get pulling a 27' Sunnybrook fiver with a 2500HD Duramax at 62mph!


Posted By: portablevcb on 08/13/08 01:43pm

Rvndave
"You need to hit the scales and report back, sounds like your guessing on hitch weight. "

It is not everyday that someone questions my credibility. I guess on these forums there are some who would. It is still irritating.

Scales show my pin weight as 1055lb (total trailer weight is 5600lb which means about 18% not 20%)). Full propane and water and loaded for travel. Yes, there are many of us who can load a trailer to reduce the percentage of weight on the pin. I do it all the time with std hitch trailers. Essential for good towing. The "20% guide" is just that. It is not ironclad and should not be treated as such, yet, I continue to see people use it like it's the bible of towing.

Some of us like our little fivers, get over it.

charlie


Posted By: kaydeejay on 08/13/08 01:55pm

Rvndave wrote:


This just goes to show you advertised hitch weights are bogus, most of these hitch weights are under 20% when empty, some of us know how to do math, many do not!
Dave, under 20% pin ratio is very normal. My first fiver was a Citation 325QB triple slide that had a 16% pin ratio empty.
Of course that was before (the ex) DW loaded the closet with enough clothes to rip the shelves and railing out of the walls!
Current 27 footer is closer to 20% (actually 19.6).
The 20% used as a guide is very valid, but there is no substitute for scale weights.


Posted By: kaydeejay on 08/13/08 02:01pm

portablevcb wrote:


It is not everyday that someone questions my credibility. I guess on these forums there are some who would. It is still irritating.

charlie
Hey Charlie, no need to get your shorts in a knot. You are apparently among the minority on here who have actually weighed their rig - excellent!
Problem was you didn't SAY that in your post, and your weights looked like the usual/typical guesstimate.

I don't blame rvndave for his comments either - let's just call it a miscommunication/misunderstanding, go camping and have fun!
Alright?


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Posted By: just5erit on 08/13/08 02:40pm

kaydeejay wrote:

just5erit wrote:


Info from: Theautochannel.com For 1/2ton HD slammers!!!!!!!

Chevrolet has the pickup field covered well, with the compact S-10, full-sized Silverado, and extra-large Silverado HD, all in a myriad of configurations and models. To fill a perceived gap in its line, it recently added the Silverado 1500 HD, which combines the half-ton (1500 model) body style with the sturdy three-quarter ton (2500) frame. It is the only 1500-series model available in true crew cab form.................. snip......
Not exactly sure of the point you are making or how old this info is, the most recent I can find is 2003.
GM has not had a 1500HD since 2007 with the previous "Classic" body style.



The point I'm makingis that you said:

"But, as many on this forum have pointed out, the 1500HD is not really a 1/2ton. It is almost a 3/4 ton (2500) without the HD qualifier, sometimes called a "heavy half".


Posted By: Rvndave on 08/13/08 04:33pm

just5erit wrote:

I'll say this again:::

I went through this also a while back. Let me tell you this, if you're not driving a Peterbuilt, Mack, or Freightliner rig you got nothing on this site. I was told also "HELL NO", "NO WAY", "You're going to kill someone". I understand if you ask for an opinion you will get many of them you don't like or don't want to hear. However, I've pulled mine since I bought about 500 miles with no problems and no problems braking. Look at what you got and make a smart informed decision based on your numbers, not others!! Look at what I got, I am pleased and save!!Happy Camping


Mind letting us know why you added air bags?


Posted By: just5erit on 08/13/08 04:48pm

Rvndave wrote:

just5erit wrote:

I'll say this again:::

I went through this also a while back. Let me tell you this, if you're not driving a Peterbuilt, Mack, or Freightliner rig you got nothing on this site. I was told also "HELL NO", "NO WAY", "You're going to kill someone". I understand if you ask for an opinion you will get many of them you don't like or don't want to hear. However, I've pulled mine since I bought about 500 miles with no problems and no problems braking. Look at what you got and make a smart informed decision based on your numbers, not others!! Look at what I got, I am pleased and save!!Happy Camping


Mind letting us know why you added air bags?


They were on the truck when I bought it!


Posted By: kaydeejay on 08/13/08 05:30pm

just5erit wrote:

kaydeejay wrote:

Not exactly sure of the point you are making or how old this info is, the most recent I can find is 2003.
GM has not had a 1500HD since 2007 with the previous "Classic" body style.
The point I'm making is that you said:

"But, as many on this forum have pointed out, the 1500HD is not really a 1/2ton. It is almost a 3/4 ton (2500) without the HD qualifier, sometimes called a "heavy half".
OK, yes, I did say that but qualified it with the last time they were built. So, if you take into account the OP has just bought a NEW Silverado, it is not a 1500HD as they are no longer available.
If he has bought a current 1500 Crew cab 5.3L 4WD, then it does not have the capacity that you have. At max he has a 7300# GVWR with an 1860# TOTAL payload. If it was not ordered with the 7300# GVWR, then those numbers are 300# less.
With a 300# hitch (he WILL need a slider with a 5'6" box) and two people, I suggest his loaded trailer pin weight will need to be well under 1000#.


Posted By: Newburghny5thwh on 08/13/08 06:15pm

There are a number of 5th wheels that can be pulled by a 1/2 ton today. Per GM's web site for 2008 a 5.3 eng. you can pull a 5th wheel from 6600 lbs - 8500 lbs depending on how your truck is equiped. If you have the 6.0 eng you can pull a trailer / 5th wheel from 8400 lbs to 10500 lbs depending on how your truck is equipped.

The spec's on your truck is the key, heavy duty package, rear gears such as 3.73 or 4.10 make the differance as to what you are capable of pulling.


2004 F150 ext cab 5.4 4.10 rear
2003 26 ft Trail-lite 5th wheel
HAPPY CAMPING

Learn CPR for the life you save maybe someone you love.


Posted By: portablevcb on 08/13/08 06:44pm

If no offense was intended then I apologize. I just get really tired of the "20%" club who use that like a battering ram to try to convince people that a 1/2T truck can't possibly tow many of the smaller fivers.

Folks who have a 1/2T truck have many choices in fivers. Yes, they will have to be careful not to overload their trucks, just as 1T truck owners have to be careful about not overloading their trucks (yes, I have seen some that do).

Maybe if the person had weighed each of the rigs he questioned I would be more accepting of his comments. Since he had not, then he should stay out of it.

A word of warning is sufficient to the average buyer, confrontation is not.

charlie


Posted By: Mr Gone on 08/13/08 09:02pm

2007 Tundra, DC, 5.7 Tow Package, Firestone Air Springs, 17 psi, Reese 16K, Square Tube Slider ( set High, Pin Box set High ), 10 " of Rail Clearance, ( Lots of Mud from Corn Fields on Chassis ) Tundra Rails from Reese,Mc Kesh Mirrors, 2008 Jayco Eagle Super Lite, 29.5 RL, 7913 Dry, Tekonsha P-3, Tire Pressures Per Manufacturer of the Tires,( Jayco Jake Plates set Max Hgt ( 2-3" Rake, equalizer handles it ok, tires pressures didn't increase in rear tires ). 1665 Payload, just Wifey , me , and Miss Mutt. 15 Gals of fresh, tanks dumped every morning.

4600 mile trip, I-70 Cape Cod to Rockies, Denver to Sturgis, I-90 to Home, some side trips. One Problem, hit a piece of steel in Ill. and lost a tire on Tundra. Other than that, A PERFECT PULL, awesome truck, awesome trailer. Mileage was Harsh, avg. 10.2 most of trip, worst was 8.6 in High Altitude. Tundra had Power, Handling, and Braking, Ride was Stable, some chucking, but manageable ( My Low Beams Remained Low Beams ) and ( Highway System has gone to******). Forget Tow Haul and Cruise, shifting on hills is way too crazy !
I am longing for a Tundra DRW, Diesel or V-10, Then Alaska !!


Posted By: shipmice on 08/13/08 09:10pm

You might also want to check out the Heartland Sundance XLT series....they are ultra lights, ours is 28.5' and it only weighs 6600#'s. You will love the Sundance, I promise!!!

Rick and Janine


Posted By: husker 2 on 08/13/08 09:11pm

Looks like you already bought a truck and since it's unreasonable to trade up at this point, you'll have to make do. We have a 24 ft 5ver weighing 6500 lbs loaded (hitch weight is 1010 total gross is 13000). We did tow it with a 1/2 ton, 2001 GMC 1500, initially. I'd recommend keeping your 5ver weight at 7000 lbs (including hitch weight) or less.


2004 GMC 2500 6.0L CC SB Reese 16K Slider Prodigy BC Jayco 24 ft 237a Quest 5er

A decrepid old driver a foxy navigator and one cranky Griff puppy named Bandit. Look for a "Big Red" license NEBR 1



Posted By: Rvndave on 08/14/08 01:46am

I have been involved in camping for many years, the rule of thumb has always been 12-15% of GVWR for ball hitches, 20-25% for 5ers. It comes as news to me using less hitch weight is preferred for towing. I have always heard for best handling this is the recommended weights. I am not trying to annoy anyone but, it is going to take more than a few posts from people running marginal trucks to convince me other wise. To convince you I have an open mind, the 20-25% rule has stopped me from getting a 36-40 foot toy hauler. Using 25% of the 5ers GVWR overloads my one ton dually. If you have manufactures recommendations showing less is allowable, please show a link.


Posted By: coachman05 on 08/14/08 06:34am

We have a Rockwood Signature Ultra Lite that you would be able to pull with your 1/2 ton. With our 1/2 ton silverado we have no problem pulling and handling the Rockwood and we get in the 10 mpg range with a 5.3 liter engine. We have a 8244 Rockwood which has a dry weight of about 6000 lbs and a pin weight of 1020 lbs and we just love it. Yes it would be nice to have a 3/4 ton diesel but, since a new TV isn't in the budget our 1/2 ton and Rockwood work good together.


2008 8244 Rockwood
2003 1500 5.3 liter Silverado



Posted By: TXiceman on 08/14/08 06:35am

MNSmurf wrote:

Rvndave wrote:

This just goes to show you advertised hitch weights are bogus, most of these hitch weights are under 20% when empty, some of know how to do math, many do not!


I think you and TXIceman need to do some more research....most 5er's out there with super slides in the living area and no bedroom slide are closer to 15% pin weight than 20%. The trailer in my signature weighs 9500# wet and ready for a week with 1400# on the pin (yes, verified on a CAT scale).


Your trailer is the exception and for good towing, you want the hitch/pinbox toward the heavier side. When we were towing the 5er, loaded were about 13,800# and a pin weight of a bit over 2800#. This put us a bit over 20% for the pin weight.

Usually on a 5er, if you are toward the light side on pin weight you will get some bucking or chucking on the highway.

A 1/2 ton can pull a smaller 5er, but you really have to watch the pin weight since all 1/2 ton trucks are limited on GVWR and this limits pin weight. Once you get a 1/2 ton truck loaded with cargo and passengers, your pin carrying capacity is limited.

Just do not take someones word based on his twice a year RV trip of about 50 miles to the seasonal lot. You need to weigh the truck loaded as I have suggested and do the math...do not let the dealer tell you that you can pull anything.

It is amazing at the number of people that have never weighed their rigs anre under the impression that since they have a "Truck" they can now haul anything that they can hook up to.

For comfort and safety, you need to weigh the truck and trailer and work from real weights and forget the brochure weights. You will be in better sahpe in the long run.

Ken


Posted By: meadje on 08/14/08 07:01am

I had the same issue but i found a dutchmen classic that had a gvwr of 3100kgs approx 6800lbs and my trucks tow rating was 7500lbs but my biggest problem was the cargo limmit was 850 lbs and the pin weight was approx 1200lbs so i just took it to a suspension shop and they added another leaf and now this truck hauls it with no issues


91GMC K1500,Reese 16k double pivot,Prodigy,Dutchmen 26f



Posted By: portablevcb on 08/14/08 08:23am

Rvndave,

Sorry, have only been towing trailers off and on for 40 years. Everything up to MDT size (including tanks and 5T trucks while in the Army). Mostly 'bumper' tow.

From your posts I thought you had a really good reason for your views. "I have heard..." does not instill confidence that your information is factual. So, please provide facts before you post more.

And, yes, I don't mind if people buy a bigger truck for margin. I would too if I were towing more than a few thousand miles a year. Actually, I'd go get an HDT if I were towing more than 10,000 mi a year. But, for most of us with little trucks, our mileage per year is very small. Towing a trailer that is near our max is just fine. And, just for the 'safety' guys, I have stopped my 6000lb trailer with the truck brakes from 60mph (on a slight downhill grade). It did it with margin to spare.

Want a site for pin weight percentage?
http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/pdf/towing/08FSD_towing.pdf

"• Trailer king pin weight should be 15-25% of total loaded trailer weight. Make sure vehicle payload (reduced by option weight) will accommodate trailer king pin weight and weight of passengers and cargo added to the towing vehicle. Addition of trailer king pin weight, and weight of passengers and cargo cannot cause vehicle weights to exceed rear GAWR or GVWR. These ratings can be found on the vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Label."

Do you have something that says otherwise, other than a "rule of thumb"? How about a link?

Oh, and the "rule of thumb" for std trailers has been 10%. That's where the 200lb tongue/2000lb load ratings came from that you see on most Class I hitches. Do you have a certified site that shows otherwise?

charlie


Posted By: MNSmurf on 08/14/08 09:48am

TXiceman wrote:

Your trailer is the exception and for good towing, you want the hitch/pinbox toward the heavier side. When we were towing the 5er, loaded were about 13,800# and a pin weight of a bit over 2800#. This put us a bit over 20% for the pin weight.


I really don't think it's an exception in modern trailers. On most single slide 5er's, the slide is close to centered over the axles, making the trailer heavier without adding hitch weight. This also allows the manufacturer to add a bedroom slide to the floorplan (as either and option or a different model) without getting too heavy on the hitch. When we bought, the trailer we really wanted was a Cedar Creek Silverback bunkhouse, but it was too heavy on the hitch. The only major difference between that trailer and my Cherokee is the absence of a bedroom slide on my trailer. They are the exact same floorplan and dimensions except for that one slide.


Posted By: stonypass on 08/14/08 10:50am

Simmang wrote:

We just bought a new Silverado 4/Dr truck with the 5.8 liter engine, 1/2 ton. Does anyone know of a fifth wheel that this truck could pull? Thanks!


An ultralight 24-25' 5th wheel would probably be fine with this truck but have you considered a travel trailer instead? You could get a larger unit for the same weight and probably for the same or less money.


2005 - Keystone Cougar 285EFS 5ver
1997 - Dodge Ram 2500 4x4, ExtCab/LWB, Modified CTD, Auto & 3.54 LSD


Posted By: Rvndave on 08/14/08 09:01pm

portablevcb wrote:

Rvndave,

Sorry, have only been towing trailers off and on for 40 years. Everything up to MDT size (including tanks and 5T trucks while in the Army). Mostly 'bumper' tow.

From your posts I thought you had a really good reason for your views. "I have heard..." does not instill confidence that your information is factual. So, please provide facts before you post more.

And, yes, I don't mind if people buy a bigger truck for margin. I would too if I were towing more than a few thousand miles a year. Actually, I'd go get an HDT if I were towing more than 10,000 mi a year. But, for most of us with little trucks, our mileage per year is very small. Towing a trailer that is near our max is just fine. And, just for the 'safety' guys, I have stopped my 6000lb trailer with the truck brakes from 60mph (on a slight downhill grade). It did it with margin to spare.

Want a site for pin weight percentage?
http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/pdf/towing/08FSD_towing.pdf

"• Trailer king pin weight should be 15-25% of total loaded trailer weight. Make sure vehicle payload (reduced by option weight) will accommodate trailer king pin weight and weight of passengers and cargo added to the towing vehicle. Addition of trailer king pin weight, and weight of passengers and cargo cannot cause vehicle weights to exceed rear GAWR or GVWR. These ratings can be found on the vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Label."

Do you have something that says otherwise, other than a "rule of thumb"? How about a link?

Oh, and the "rule of thumb" for std trailers has been 10%. That's where the 200lb tongue/2000lb load ratings came from that you see on most Class I hitches. Do you have a certified site that shows otherwise?

charlie

Fifth-wheel Trailers

Not as much attention is given to balance, hitching procedures, and weight restrictions for fifth-wheel trailers because they are basically very stable. A disadvantage that the fifth-wheel has over conventional trailers is that much of the truck bed space is not available. The fifth-wheel hitch occupies the center of the truck bed and the hitch pin is in front of the center line of the tow vehicle's rear axle. Hitch weight of fifth-wheel trailers is usually around 20 percent of the trailer weight. web site listed below.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl648/dl648pt12.htm


Posted By: portablevcb on 08/14/08 09:31pm

"...should be 15-25%..."

"...usually around 20 percent..."

The average of 15-25 is 20. Equal statements. The operative words are 'usually around'. It does not say that it must be 20% or more.

Heck, I don't know if I should be happy or sad to have the state of California agree with me.

FWIW, there are trailers that are not happy with pin weights on the lighter side of the range. And some are happier that way. Mine is happy at 18% and I did have it down to 17% at one time without any 'complaints' from the rig. One thing I did learn long ago is that bumper pull trailers really don't like being less than 10% on the tongue. They can even get dangerous.

charlie


Posted By: Rvndave on 08/15/08 04:11am

If you max out any rig your performance and reliability will suffer. I recommend using the 20-25% of the 5ers GVWR if for nothing else a margin of safety. All the truck manufactures know weight ratings help to sell there trucks, I believe they will list the maximum weights they can safely carry. I towed overloaded for years telling myself it handles fine. Once getting a TV over rated for the load the difference was amazing, fuel mileage also improved. Braking was unbelievably better, the driving experience much more pleasurable, and without a doubt safer. Max your truck out for all it has if you like, never again for me.


Posted By: S Sullivan on 08/15/08 06:00am

Mandalay Parr wrote:

I wouldn't. Not enough truck for stability reasons. One ton dually much better.


I respect your right to an opinion - but it is NOT necessary to have a dually for EVERY 5ver!

Excuse me for a moment while I express my opinion....

Sorry for the rant - but I get so tired of some people's flat statments that seem to indicate that unless you have a one ton dually you are less of a RVer and are a little lower than the bug crossing the street and shouldn't even have the audacity to contemplate a 5ver.

(Stepping off the soapbox and slowly backing off.....)

* This post was edited 08/15/08 06:18am by S Sullivan *


Posted By: Umaxman on 08/15/08 06:46am

S Sullivan wrote:

Mandalay Parr wrote:

I wouldn't. Not enough truck for stability reasons. One ton dually much better.


I respect your right to an opinion - but it is NOT necessary to have a dually for EVERY 5ver!

Excuse me for a moment while I express my opinion....

Sorry for the rant - but I get so tired of some people's flat statments that seem to indicate that unless you have a one ton dually you are less of a RVer and are a little lower than the bug crossing the street and shouldn't even have the audacity to contemplate a 5ver.

(Stepping off the soapbox and slowly backing off.....)


Well said.
My truck pulls my fiver just fine

There are as many(probably way more)Fivers being towed with 1/2 tons as there is with duallys, and the stopping part we won't even go there as these trailers have brakes and if they don't help you stop then get them looked at ....


Posted By: Simmang on 08/14/08 10:15pm

Thanks so much again....I am a new member and had no idea I would get so much great info!!! and my 1/2 Silverado is the 5.3 liter V8 and the short bed so I have lots to consider.


Posted By: portablevcb on 08/15/08 07:10am

Rvndave,

Thanks. That was a well put statement.

I agree. If I were towing a lot then I too would get a truck with a capacity well above my load.

But, as I said before (and like the two above and others before), when towing a relatively small amount of time I am happy staying within the mfg's guidelines of my small truck and small fiver.

charlie


Posted By: curt12914 on 08/15/08 07:37am

Rvndave wrote:

If you max out any rig your performance and reliability will suffer. I recommend using the 20-25% of the 5ers GVWR if for nothing else a margin of safety. All the truck manufactures know weight ratings help to sell there trucks, I believe they will list the maximum weights they can safely carry. I towed overloaded for years telling myself it handles fine. Once getting a TV over rated for the load the difference was amazing, fuel mileage also improved. Braking was unbelievably better, the driving experience much more pleasurable, and without a doubt safer. Max your truck out for all it has if you like, never again for me.


You advocate 20 -25% as a margin of safety? So you're pretty much agreeing with the guy that says anyone towing a fifth wheel should have a one ton dually!

A lot of you guys put a lot more faith in the manufacturers GVW than I do. I see different GVWs listed for a truck with the same frame, springs, brakes, etc., but different engines, transmissions and gear ratios. That might make a lot of difference to a guy that is driving through the Rockies, but for a flatlander, it doesn't mean a lot.

I've seen comments about air bags, helper springs, exhaust brakes, power enhancements, auxiliary transmissions, etc. don't change the GVW of the truck. You're right that it doesn't change the door sticker, but most enhancements do make the truck able to carry or tow more weight.

What do you thnik about the over the road drivers that are hauling oversize loads? Some things just don't come apart enough to bring them down to normal sizes. We just had some transformers go through our area that weigh over 40 tons. Where would a guy buy a tractor that has a GVW to tow that.

As someone that has driven large trucks all his adult life, I can tell you the weakest part of any truck is the nut behind the steering wheel. If you have any idea of what you're operating, you can take precautions to operate it safely. Some people aren't safe with an empty one ton dually.

Go ahead, flame on!!!!!!!!


Posted By: portablevcb on 08/15/08 09:05am

curt12914 wrote:


...the weakest part of any truck is the nut behind the steering wheel... Some people aren't safe with an empty one ton dually.


Well said! I think that should be plastered on every truck visor made, if not tattooed on foreheads.

charlie


Posted By: tomh1229 on 08/15/08 04:51pm

I recently bought a 2004 Crossroas Cruiser 29'. It weighs 6824 lbs dry. I pull it with a 2004 1500 Crew Cab Chevy. I added super springs and travel very light. I am going to have to buy another TV as the max towing capacity is 6800 lbs and it is a strain for my truck to pull the 5er up hills. It does great on the inertstate getting 16 mpg. It will eventually wear the tranny and raer end of the truck out. You need to check out Crossroads and see if your truck will tow one. The 5.7 will be strong enough. The test will be the tranny and rear end. If you have the right gear you might be ok with air bags or super springs.


Posted By: curt12914 on 08/15/08 07:36pm

This is pretty much off the subject, but when I see these weight threads, I always think of a neighbor who had the first gooseneck trailer I ever saw. He had a early 70's Ford F-250 (390 motor, I think) 4 wheel drive. He towed a trailer that carried his Case backhoe that weighed somewhere in the 7 ton range, so he was probably towing close to 9 tons total. He used the same truck for over 20 years, until he retired and sold everything. I never heard of him having an accident with it and never heard of him having a lot of problems and he towed almost EVERY DAY with it.

I guess someone forgot to tell him he was overloaded!


Posted By: portablevcb on 08/15/08 07:55pm

Same as my Father-in-law. He had one of those Rampage pickups. You know, the ones that were front wheel drive cars with the back chopped off. 2.2L with a 5sp manual tranny. He did a lot of research on weights and aerodynamic loads. Figured out the frontal area he could get away with, torque curves of the motor and speeds he could reasonably expect. Determined max loads for his tires, wheels and axle (kinda simple cause it was basically a straight beam).

Had the dealer weld in a custom mount for a fiver. Coachman Lite. One of the first Lite's that I heard of. 19ft. Don't remember what it weighed, but, at least 3000lb (which was about 2000lb more than the little TV was rated for. He installed air shocks to level the load.

He towed with that rig all over the Southwest. Put about 10,000mi on it over a 5 year period before the trailer 'gave up' (too many window leaks and rotted door sill).

He used to like to 'out drag' larger fiver rigs, especially the 1T trucks.

FWIW, he also used to drive HDT's when he was younger. He was also a mechanical engineer.

charlie

PS I do not recommend this approach. For most people it is a recipe for disaster. Keep within the mfg's ratings.


Posted By: curt12914 on 08/16/08 05:28am

portablevcb wrote:

PS I do not recommend this approach. For most people it is a recipe for disaster. Keep within the mfg's ratings.


I agree 100%.


Posted By: Rough2000 on 08/16/08 05:44am

Anyway as I attempted to get into my Honda yesterday...where a duelly had pulled in along side and I could not get my door open. I thought...

"GET A SMALLER TRUCK, OR FIND A LARGER PARKING SPACE"

So much for my rant about those silly duelly people.


If it moves but shouldn't, use Duct Tape. If it doesn't move but should, use WD40.


Posted By: Dave H M on 08/16/08 07:03am

I always get a kick out of watching dually drivers that strut their stuff. It hasn't happened yet, but I am waiting on the day that as they walk backwards so they can admire the big butt on the truck they will stumble over a curb.

After I am reincarnated, I think I will save up and buy a Kenworth. However until then I will have to run with the little dogs with my ole 3/4. So I will just have to bore people tslking about old tractors instead of my Dually.

I think people should do whatever blows their skirt up but don't hand out blanket advise as if they are the sooth sayer. Notice I did not say andthing about the abilities ov my lesser truck with the teeny weeny sort bed.


Posted By: TXiceman on 08/16/08 08:53am

There are those that have duallies and then there are those that admire duallies....There is only two classes.

AS I have said....you do not have to have a dually to pull a 5er, but you are limited due tot he lower GVWR of the SRW and a 1/2 truck limits you even more....

So, it all boils down to big trucks for big trailers and little trucks for little trailers.

Ken


Posted By: Rough2000 on 08/16/08 10:11am

TXiceman wrote:

There are those that have duallies and then there are those that admire duallies....There is only two classes.

AS I have said....you do not have to have a dually to pull a 5er, but you are limited due tot he lower GVWR of the SRW and a 1/2 truck limits you even more....

So, it all boils down to big trucks for big trailers and little trucks for little trailers.

Ken


Sorry Iceman, we're not admireing your dually. We're looking at a 3/4 ton truck that cost too much for two extra wheels and is taking up too much space. Kind of like looking at a real robust women with a wide rear. I may look, but I'm not admiring.

If your serious aboutt a big truck think Peterbilt, Freightliner, etc. not a jerked over 3/4 ton.


Posted By: jlnix on 08/18/08 08:19am

TXiceman wrote:

There are those that have duallies and then there are those that admire duallies....There is only two classes
Ken


No, there are three classes! There is the class that pulled with dual wheel trucks, buried one on the beach at the Outer Banks of NC, traded for a single rear wheel truck and liked it so well he has since traded for another single rear wheel truck.


1992 Avion 35.5 5th Wheel
2006 F-350 King Ranch
6 liter PSD Torqshift Tow Command


Posted By: curt12914 on 08/18/08 12:34pm

jlnix wrote:

TXiceman wrote:

There are those that have duallies and then there are those that admire duallies....There is only two classes
Ken


No, there are three classes! There is the class that pulled with dual wheel trucks, buried one on the beach at the Outer Banks of NC, traded for a single rear wheel truck and liked it so well he has since traded for another single rear wheel truck.


I'll vote for a fourth class. Those, like me, that have a dually and hate it.

It's clumsy, traction is terrible and virtually impossible to rotate the tires on, since only the outside duals are aluminum rims.

There are advantages to the duallys, but for those of us that use it as a daily driver, the disadvantages far outweigh the advantages.


Posted By: cwit on 08/18/08 03:57pm

I tow a 29ft Zinger 5er single slide with a 07 Toyota Tundra this is one great combo. I have towed this setup for close to 7000 miles and it can't be beat. If you want a front slide look at your pin weights close . I would stay onder 1500 lbs pin weight. Almost all companys make half ton towable campers,and no you don't need a dully to tow a fiver. ON a half ton truck I recommend air bags and heavier tires,I have both. ask a lot of questions you will know a good dealer.






Posted By: Rvndave on 08/18/08 06:22pm

portablevcb wrote:

Rvndave,

Thanks. That was a well put statement.

I agree. If I were towing a lot then I too would get a truck with a capacity well above my load.

But, as I said before (and like the two above and others before), when towing a relatively small amount of time I am happy staying within the mfg's guidelines of my small truck and small fiver.

charlie


The distance you go makes little difference. You can have an accident before going half a mile.


Posted By: JB-ROO on 08/18/08 08:39pm

Check my signature- my 2007 F150 pulls pulls Keystone Sprinter Copper Canyon 252FWRLS(which is actually 30 feet long)whith ease. Pulled to Miami, Fla round trip from KC area & never ever struggled.
Just about every RV manufacturer is making 1/2 Ton towable fifth wheel trailers.
JB


2011 F-150 S/C 4X4 XLT Ecoboost 3.73 L/S gears max TT package
2008 Sprinter Copper Canyon 252FWRLS 5th wheel
Ford Dealership Transmission Tech.
Retired wife
4 camping grand kids
90# chocolate Lab



Posted By: portablevcb on 08/18/08 08:57pm

Rvndave wrote:



The distance you go makes little difference. You can have an accident before going half a mile.


Sorry, that doesn't make sense to me. The mfg's ratings are based on the lifetime of the mechanical components, not surviving an accident.

If everything is working correctly I don't see a safety difference towing a max load in my 1/2T vs one that is 2000lb less. The trailer will stop itself and the truck will stop itself.

As I said, if you feel safer with a bigger truck, then go ahead. I am fine with what the mfg says.

charlie


Posted By: Rvndave on 08/19/08 12:32am

Only when you get a TV that is rated for more than the load, will you understand what I am trying to tell you. Until then go ahead and reassure each other it is fine to run close to or over GVWR.


Posted By: portablevcb on 08/19/08 07:18am

Ok, so me towing trailers that are less than 1000lb don't count nor does towing a 4000lb trailer with a 5T truck. I guess 30 years of towing all kinds of rigs isn't good enough experience.

The two things I notice with a heavier rig. You can't 'swerve' as fast (doesn't matter how big the TV is) and you accelerate slower. The size of the TV can affect the latter, but, usually not by a lot. I actually can stop faster with some larger trailers because they have larger brakes and there are more wheels on the ground per unit mass.

Yes, it is OK to go close to the GVWR.

And, yes, it is OK to have a truck larger than what you need.

Like I said, if I towed a rig a lot, it would be a larger trailer and I wouldn't fool around with a beefed up pickup, it'd be an HDT.

charlie


Posted By: souraider on 08/19/08 09:18am

My fifth wheel claimed to be 1/2 ton towable. That being said, weight-wise it could be possible, my unit only weighs about #9500. The problem is that about #2000 of it is pin weight. That could be pretty tight for a 1/2 ton truck.


06 Ford F-350
'15 Stealth WA2313



Posted By: portablevcb on 08/19/08 01:14pm

souraider wrote:

My fifth wheel claimed to be 1/2 ton towable. That being said, weight-wise it could be possible, my unit only weighs about #9500. The problem is that about #2000 of it is pin weight. That could be pretty tight for a 1/2 ton truck.


"pretty tight" is a nice way of saying it is just not good. I tried putting 2000lb in the bed of my truck once. Just once. Bottomed out the springs, then the front end came off the ground. And, no I did not drive it that way.

I'd just say that someone lied about it being 1/2T towable. There are a lot of salesmen who will look at the GCWR and use that to say if it can be towed or not, ignoring the pin weights. Some folks look at their TT and figure the same size fiver should be OK.

There are those trailers that 'claim' to be 1/2T towable, dealers who say they are fine for your 'little' truck, and then there are those that are really OK. Check weights!! Every truck and every model of every truck is a bit different.

And, remember that the mfg trailer weight is unloaded, so figure on what you will put in it. Same with truck ratings. It can be very enlightening at how fast 100lbs of stuff adds up. A long weekend worth of food is usually over 100lb. Fiver hitch is over 100lb. 40gal of water is about 300lb. Some folks tool boxes can be over 100lb. etc. etc.

charlie


Posted By: jepzilla on 08/20/08 02:58pm

Heartland makes the Sundance Ultralights that should be towable by a 1/2 ton. They seem high quality and a good value.

Good luck.


Jepzilla
2006 Dodge 2500 2WD SWB Cummins Diesel
2009 Sundance 32EH
2011 Lance 855


Posted By: FastEagle on 08/20/08 06:25pm

There are a number of small 5th wheels out there that will not max your truck out. Here is one that is a good fit. It is by Sun Valley Inc. Their model XF-230SL Has a dry weight of 3802# and A GVWR of 6385# with a dry pin weight of 618#. This one even has a slide. It is a Surveyor by Forest River. It's GVWR is 7500# (700# below your max) and it's dry pin weight is 967#. And this one is 26'2".

FastEagle


Posted By: geekgranny on 08/21/08 01:10am

Hope you guys can help me out here. Although I have a '90 Ford F250 7.3 L Diesel X-cab, long bed, with less than 74 K miles and less than 30 K on tranny (original owner) (I cooked it way back pulling a trailer) this info here is excellent for me to help to stay within safe ranges while shopping for a 5th wheel. DH wants to do a pusher with toad but I'm opting for keeping my truck for now, and going with 5th wheel. We'll be able afford hitting the road full time almost immediately even before getting the house sold. At any rate I have a couple of questions that do pertain to the discussion somewhat.

The book that came with my truck has some charts for GCWR and such. For GCWR for my truck, i.e. Auto Transmission 4.10 Axel Ratio it has three(3) ratings:

Maximum Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR)

Max GCWR Lb = 10,000 Lbs
Trailer Wt Lbs = 0-2,000 Lbs
Max Front Area Sq Ft = Trailer frontal area not to exceed base vehicle frontal area.
..............

Max GCWR Lb = 13,000 Lbs
Trailer Wt Lbs = 2,000-3,500
Max Front Area Sq Ft = 60
.......................
Max GCWR Lb = 14,000 Lbs
Trailer Wt Lbs =3,500-9,100
Max Front Area Sq Ft = 60

So can someone please explain these numbers to me and why there are three different sets? How do I determine where my truck fits in? Thanks for help.


Posted By: RDSKNFN_57 on 08/21/08 10:58am

i had a 04 crew cab 4x4 gmc and towed a 7600lb fith wheel no problems, down side was it had no slide because the slide adds roughly around 1200 extra pounds because of the frame work needed,but since then i have up graded because of wanting more room inside, there are towable 5er's out there but rememeber to find out your tow capcity. Manufactors set tow capcities counting the driver and a full tank of gas added already in the weight formula so find out your towing weght and minus 1 wife 2 kids 1 dog, 2 of the kids friends 2 ice chest (1 for beer) and there you go GOOD LUCK






Posted By: cdhd2001 on 08/21/08 09:13pm

I found a neat little trailer tonight.

KZ Spree 265RLS
28'-2" long

Hitch= 879 lbs.
dry weight= 5,845 lbs.
GVWR= 7,500

Neatest thing is that this unit has 2 rear opposing living room slides. Center kitchen and an open bedroom & bathroom.


2012 Dodge 2500 CC SB 4x4 Hemi Auto 3.73
2012 Flagstaff 26FKSS (power everything!)
Hensley Arrow

Previous trailers,
2007 Prowler Lynx 27.5 5th wheel
2001 Wildcat 27.5 5th wheel
1983 Reagal 28 ft. TT


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