RetiredbutWorking
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PopBeavers wrote:ridingfamily4 wrote:Is it any different than manure? Take out the pond water, then throw some grass seed over and water it. Voila! Fertilized grass!
It may have had black tank chemicals, such as formaldehyde.
Prescription drugs may have been in the mix.
There may have been other chemicals in the mix.
If someone poured a full container of black tank chemicals in your flower bed would you hose it down or dig it out and throw it away?
I would have them arrested for trespassing.
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PopBeavers
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RetiredbutWorking wrote:What everybody is forgetting is it was a retention pond. For most of the year, a retention pond is dry, it just has grass growing in it. It is also designed to filter contaminents from the storm drain prior to making it to a stream or natural body of water. That is the purpose of a retention pond. It did what it is designed to do, it caught the contaminent. No further action is required. When it rains in this community and fuels, oils and other contaminents leach from the roadways and into this storm drain, do they take the same measures? I would venture to guess they do not. This is government overkill and a waste of tax dollars..
In some locations, the water that runs off the road down the storm drains is required by law to be processed by a sewage treatment plant. You can not just let that oil run into the stream, lake or bay.
When my swimming pool gets too full on a rainy day I have to drain some of the water out. It is illegal for me to drain the water into the gutter where it would flow into the storm drain, then the creek, then San Francisco Bay. I must drain it into the sewage system so it is treated before it flows into the bay. The local pool supply store tells me that the fine is $10,000.
Pouring hazardous chemicals, such as formaldehyde for an RV black tank, on the ground can contaminate the drinking water system. They had to stop using MTBE in California because MTBE from gasoline got into the local wells.
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Sunrise06
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This guy is an idiot and should be penalized for his stupidity like taking away his right to own an RV, but I think everyone may have over reacted with taxpayers dollars. $250,000 sounds like some hazmat contractor is making an awful good profit to make up for the work he is not getting due to the slow economy. He saw a "ripe" opportunity and took it. Perhaps someone should have tested the water to see if there was formaldehyde or drugs present before undertaking the work. If the dumper is too cheap to pay to dump his tank, he is probably too cheap to use chemical in his black water tank.
Ground filtration is the basis for most septic systems and they are only required to be 100' or more away from a drinking water well depending on local jurisdiction. Drinking water is not taken from shallow wells. Water is filtered through many layers of sand and rock over a period of time which is natures way of cleansing the water.
Perhaps a better and less costly solution would have been to test the water, remove any visible solids, and to chlorinate the pond to kill bacteria. Chlorine contact is a step in most waste water treatments before the water is re-introduced into water systems.
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My oh my!!!!! How did I ever survive as a kid on the farm.... Ran the cows out of the pond and we went swimming. Yes the cows did their thing in the water but we survived. GOvt is getting carried away again.
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RetiredbutWorking
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PopBeavers wrote:RetiredbutWorking wrote:What everybody is forgetting is it was a retention pond. For most of the year, a retention pond is dry, it just has grass growing in it. It is also designed to filter contaminents from the storm drain prior to making it to a stream or natural body of water. That is the purpose of a retention pond. It did what it is designed to do, it caught the contaminent. No further action is required. When it rains in this community and fuels, oils and other contaminents leach from the roadways and into this storm drain, do they take the same measures? I would venture to guess they do not. This is government overkill and a waste of tax dollars..
In some locations, the water that runs off the road down the storm drains is required by law to be processed by a sewage treatment plant. You can not just let that oil run into the stream, lake or bay.
When my swimming pool gets too full on a rainy day I have to drain some of the water out. It is illegal for me to drain the water into the gutter where it would flow into the storm drain, then the creek, then San Francisco Bay. I must drain it into the sewage system so it is treated before it flows into the bay. The local pool supply store tells me that the fine is $10,000.
Pouring hazardous chemicals, such as formaldehyde for an RV black tank, on the ground can contaminate the drinking water system. They had to stop using MTBE in California because MTBE from gasoline got into the local wells.
You are kidding about swimming pool water and run off from roads requiring sewage treament, right? If you are not kidding, it is not a wonder why this country is in such trouble.
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RetiredbutWorking wrote:PopBeavers wrote:RetiredbutWorking wrote:What everybody is forgetting is it was a retention pond. For most of the year, a retention pond is dry, it just has grass growing in it. It is also designed to filter contaminents from the storm drain prior to making it to a stream or natural body of water. That is the purpose of a retention pond. It did what it is designed to do, it caught the contaminent. No further action is required. When it rains in this community and fuels, oils and other contaminents leach from the roadways and into this storm drain, do they take the same measures? I would venture to guess they do not. This is government overkill and a waste of tax dollars..
In some locations, the water that runs off the road down the storm drains is required by law to be processed by a sewage treatment plant. You can not just let that oil run into the stream, lake or bay.
When my swimming pool gets too full on a rainy day I have to drain some of the water out. It is illegal for me to drain the water into the gutter where it would flow into the storm drain, then the creek, then San Francisco Bay. I must drain it into the sewage system so it is treated before it flows into the bay. The local pool supply store tells me that the fine is $10,000.
Pouring hazardous chemicals, such as formaldehyde for an RV black tank, on the ground can contaminate the drinking water system. They had to stop using MTBE in California because MTBE from gasoline got into the local wells.
You are kidding about swimming pool water and run off from roads requiring sewage treament, right? If you are not kidding, it is not a wonder why this country is in such trouble.
I'm no lawyer, but I believe that the City of Chicago won a lawsuit against the City of Milwaukee, resulting in Milwaukee can no longer allow rain water from paved roads to flow into Lake Michigan, because it was polluting the drinking water for Chicago.
Swimming pool water has heavy metals in it from the pool chemicals that have been added to the pool water. My pool has never been completely drained since I filled it in 1989. I wonder what is really in that water. These must be removed before it flows into San Francisco bay.
It is not unsafe to swallow a mouthful or two of my pool water, but it is also not safe for the pool to be the only source of drinking water for a pet dog. Heavy metals accumulate over time in the bodies of living things. Mercury, in particular, is a problem with eating fish around here.
Around San Jose are various lakes that are used to replenish the ground water so that the land does not sink into a hole any more than it already has. Alviso is no longer above sea level because of ground water pumping. You can operate power boats on these lakes.
30 miles north of us is a lake used to store drinking water for San Francisco. They do not allow boating. I suspect that this is because they just use sand filters and chlorine. They do not run it through the ground.
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We just now passed a dairy farm and the farmer was out putting diapers on all his cows...  . We have an absurd government who allows hazmatters to rape and pillage, using scare tactics..How did we ever survive our youth.. ...remember all the fuss over EMFs???? where are they now....? Ridiculous....Dennis
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Dynasty40 wrote:We just now passed a dairy farm and the farmer was out putting diapers on all his cows... . We have an absurd government who allows hazmatters to rape and pillage, using scare tactics..How did we ever survive our youth.. ...remember all the fuss over EMFs???? where are they now....? Ridiculous....Dennis
When I was a kid we could drink the water from any clear flowing stream in the Sierras.
That was before nearly all of the water in the Sierras become contaminated with Giardia.
DW got giardia around 1984 and she did not handle it very well. And she got it, quite likely, without ever leaving the city limits of San Jose, California.
Clean enough for you may not be clean enough for others.
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Kusani
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This has strayed far from RV lifestyle.
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