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Topic: How many tow behind their Class C? What and weight?

Posted By: miyzfrider on 04/01/10 08:03am

I'm curious as I look to setup my "new" '03 class C to tow my Honda CRV, how many Class C owners tow a toad behind their MH. Honestly as you drive down the highway, you don't see many class c's towing a vehicle. You typically see more class A's doing that.

I'd be curious to know the following pieces of info from those who own class c MH's.

1. Do you tow a TOAD...Yes or No
2. What is the year, size and make of your MH?
3. What is the vehicle you tow and how much does it weigh?

I know there are bunch of threads related to this topic, and even a part of the board where toads are specifically discussed. However, I've not found a Class C specific thread with this information included. I'm just trying to decide to tow or not. With my MH being an '03, I think it's rated for 3500lbs, which is just under what my CRV weighs.

Any and all responses by Class C owners would be appreciated! Thanks.


Current Rig
2006 GMC Sierra 1500 HD Crew Cab, 6L 3.73
2013 Palomino Solaire 28QBSS 33' TT

Prior Rig
2003 31' Gulf Stream Conquest Class C (Ford E-450)
2007 Honda CR-V AWD Toad



Posted By: SRT on 04/01/10 08:20am

When we had a 27' HR Class C (Ford 460 with 3 spd) we towed a '95 Jeep Cherokee 4 door without problems.


Posted By: samsontdog on 04/01/10 08:29am

I have owned 7 or 8 Class C that I always towed something behind. Toyota P/Up,
flatbed trailer with M/C on it, Honda Civic, all at different times. Never had a problem other than a fuel pump went out in the mountains, unloaded the MC went to the nearest Town and bought a new pump


samsontdog


Posted By: gbopp on 04/01/10 08:43am

I have a 1983 Toyota Class C. I tow a 38000 pound concrete truck (unloaded) as a toad. It does cut down the mileage a bit but, I make up for it by doing concrete jobs while I'm on the road....

Have a nice April 1st.


Posted By: Beverley&Ken on 04/01/10 08:46am

As in our signature we have a 2006 Winnie Outlook 29ft and tow a 2004 Honda Accord (about same weight as a CRV (3400 -3500 lbs). We are/were using a tow dolly, another 500lbs. The Winnie on the Ford E-450 chassis has a 5000lb tow rating with a 350lb tongue weight (due to frame extension). Some of the Chevy chassis we looked at only had a 3500lb tow rating. Either chassis should be adequate for the CRV unless you grossly overload the CRV.

As for towing, yes we know it is back there, but there is no significant drop in performance or fuel mileage. You just have to watch the extra length when passing or maneuvering in city traffic.

We are switching to the tow bar from the dolly, primarily for the ease of hooking up and storing the dolly. Blue Ox base plate installed yesterday and waiting for the dealers open house this month, for the actually Blue Ox tow bar and Braking unit. They usually have very good prices at this event.

Beverley and Ken


2006 Winnebago Outlook 29B E-450.
2012 Honda CR-V AWD
Blue Ox Aventa LX tow bar and Brake Buddy Vantage.


Posted By: RoadAbode on 04/01/10 08:48am

1. Do you tow a TOAD...Yup! Easy-Peasy. My 17 year old daughter hooks up the car to the towbar (yea, I double check her)
2. What is the year, size and make of your MH?....2004 29 foot Coachmen Roadmaster(Pathfinder)Class C on a 2003 Ford E450
3. What is the vehicle you tow and how much does it weigh? A Honda Accord 2002 Approx 3100 lbs.
My Hitch for the towbar is only rated at 3500 lbs.
Just Bought a 2007 Honda Fit for Wifey - not set up to tow yet - plan to - and that weighs about 2500 lbs


The RoadAbode Crew
Mike ~ Amy ~ Kimberly ~ Emily ~ and Molly the pup
RoadAbode Blog



Posted By: clydedoerr on 04/01/10 09:29am

I have a 29 foot four winds 5000 and tow a 2005 Honda CRV. Absolutely no problems towing. Probably the reason you see less Class Cs towing are because of their length. If you have something under say 22 foot it can easily manuever around parking lots, etc. Above about 25 feet, not so much. Also, I mainly tow because I dont want to break camp everything I leave to go to the store, site seeing or whatever. My CRV gets way lots more MPG than the MH. Difference in MPG between towing and not towing is about 1/2 MPG. I might also add that I tow 4 down.


Posted By: Walldo on 04/01/10 09:41am

1-Do you have a toad --- Yes, 4 down, Sterling Roadmaster bar
2-What year and make of C --- 2008 SuperNova
3-Make and weight of toad --- 08 Jeep Unlimited, 4400lbs

No-Problem towing... No change in fuel mileage


2008 SuperNova 6372
08 Rubicon Unlimited




Posted By: dobbler98 on 04/01/10 10:06am

1993 Minnie Winnie 24' with Chevy 350
Sorry but we've never towed a car, but we do tow my 17' tournament style bass boat and it's usually loaded to the hilt with bikes, chairs, a cooler, and whatever else is hard to fit in the RV.

We also tow a 5'x5' wood sided box trailer modified with steel T-bars to carry 6 canoes. The box is always crammed full of dry bags, coolers, paddles, gear, and other stuff including the trailer spare tire.

We've never had any problems towing, except for the engine load climbing mountains which is expected on any Class C.


1993 Minnie Winnie
Class C 24'
Chevy 350
Usually pulling one of my toys



Posted By: JAXFL on 04/01/10 10:47am

1. Do you tow a TOAD...Yes
2. What is the year, size and make of your MH?....2008 Sunseeker 3100SS E450 V10 with a 5000# rating.
3. What is the vehicle you tow and how much does it weigh? A 2008 Chevy Colorado 4x4 Club Cab, at 4300#. It is a small pick up so I can carry the bikes, and other stuff needed for a weekend trip.


Posted By: ridingfamily4 on 04/01/10 11:01am

01 Minnie Winnie 31'

Don't tow a toad, but do tow a 20' trailer with 2 quads and a rhino


Posted By: Deb and Ed M on 04/01/10 11:21am

Our 2004 28' Class C (E-450) either tows an open car hauler trailer with Hubby's race truck on it (about 4800 lbs total) or it flat-tows our Wrangler. Our dealer reinforced the trailer hitch/frame when we told him a 5,000 lbs tow capacity was mandatory. Since we don't have slides - we don't exceed our GVW.

I have to admit that there ARE people who race with us, with long enclosed car trailers, who probably DO exceed their GVW......


Posted By: ramzfam on 04/01/10 11:37am

Yes we tow with a 2007 30.5' Forest River Sunseeker built on a Ford E450 chassis. Our toad is a 2000 Jeep Wrangler at about 3500lbs. The MH has a 5000lb hitch and we use a Roadmaster Falcon II towbar along with a Roadmaster EvenBrake proportional braking system.


Have RV....Will Travel
2007 Forest River Sunseeker 2860 LTD
2000 Jeep Wrangler Sahara



Posted By: AstroRig57 on 04/01/10 12:09pm

1.) Yes. We have a toad...though it used as such infrequently. Tow 4 Down with a Roadmaster/Sterling All Terrain Towbar, RoadMaster XL Series "Hidden" Brackets.

2.) 2005 Coachmen Freelander 3150SS, 31 feet (31' 6") Ford E450 Chassis.

3.) 2009 Ford Flex. 4,400 lbs.

When we bought the Flex we had not intended to use it as a Toad, and had not even CONSIDERED using it as such, till a recent article in Motorhome Magazine mentioned that it could be towed four down.

Cool Crossover: Ford Flex a One-of-a-Kind Dinghy

* This post was edited 04/02/10 01:09am by AstroRig57 *


2005 31' Coachmen Freelander 3150SS, Stargazer II - Mobile Astronomy Unit
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American by birth...Scottish by the Grace Of God.



Posted By: ron.dittmer on 04/01/10 12:12pm

miyzfrider wrote:

1. Do you tow a TOAD...Yes or No
2. What is the year, size and make of your MH?
3. What is the vehicle you tow and how much does it weigh?
1) YES
2a) 2007 Ford-V10 E350 Heavy Duty Chassis
2b) 23'-8" bumper-to-bumper
2c) Phoenix Cruiser 2350 (see my profile)
3) Had been towing a 2000 Toyota MR2 Spyder weighing only 2200 pounds, towed without secondary braking.
Will be towing a 2006 Jeep Liberty weighing 3800 pounds, with secondary braking

I have a 5000 pound trailer hitch from the RV company and a Roadmaster Falcon-II hitch and tow bar setup. I have yet to buy a brake system. I need to get on that one. Time is running out.

* This post was edited 04/01/10 09:16pm by ron.dittmer *


2007 Phoenix Cruiser model 2350, with 2006 Jeep Liberty in-tow



Posted By: Tinyandthegang on 04/01/10 12:16pm

Yes we tow with a 2009 29' BT Cruiser on a E450 chassis with a 5000lb hitch rating. We tow a 2003 Wrangler Rubicon that weighs 4200lb with a Blue Ox towbar and a Brake Buddy braking system. I have to keep checking my rearview camera to assure myself that it is still back there.






Posted By: Jtroop1 on 04/01/10 12:37pm

I've just finished researching a tow package so we can start towing this year. Bought the rig last year (first one ever owned) and didn't tow. Details:

2007 Sunseeker on E-450 chassis, has a 5,000 lb hitch
Will be towing 4 down a 1998 Nissan Altima, weighs about 2900 lbs.
will be buying a Blue Ox Alladin tow bar.


2010 Fleetwood Encounter 32BH



Posted By: knparker on 04/01/10 01:06pm

We tow an '07 Subaru Forrester 5 speed stick that weighs 3200# using a Roadmaster Sterling AT bar with the Even Brake supplemental toad braking system behind a 24' Bigfoot on an E-450 chassis. The whole thing combined weighs 17000# loaded. I added the Banks Powerpack system for the V-10 to help in the mountains and am glad I did, tons of power and runs a lot cooler. Also added a rear view camera and linked it to the GPS for monitoring. This set up has worked great for us.


'05 Bigfoot 30MH24DB
'07 Subaru Forester toad


Posted By: rvten on 04/01/10 01:21pm

We pull a 2006 Pontiac G6, a little over 3000#'s.

MH is a 2008 Aspect 29H on a Ford E-450 chassis.

Just traded the G6 for the Ford Flex SEL.

* This post was edited 08/19/10 07:11pm by rvten *


Tom & Bonnie
Crossville, TN.
Aspect 29H 2008 Type C
Ford Flex SEL 2010
There is NO B+



Posted By: jchonroad on 04/01/10 01:49pm

Yes, we towed a 2003 Chevy Cavalier (+/- 3300 lbs) behind our 2002 Coachmen Leprechaun 305MB (30.5'), E450 SuperDuty chassis, with a Roadmaster Sterling towbar and Brake-Buddy, when we had the Class C.
John


John '46
Joyce '46 (DW)
GOOD SAM LIFE MEMBERS
Heidie '00 (#1 Guard Dog, 11 lbs), Reggie '09 (#2 Guard Dog, 14 lbs) & Lady '12 (#3 Guard dog, 13 Lbs.)
'05 Winnebago Voyage 35A, Workhorse W22
'12 Malibu Toad w/Sterling Aluminum Tow Bar & Brake Buddy


Posted By: c&cschroed on 04/01/10 01:53pm

We tow a 2005 Chevy Aveo (2500 lb or so) behind our Four Winds 28A. The C is on the Chevy chassis with the 6.0L engine. We've never had any issues towing and the difference in mileage is negligible. Fully loaded on the road, we're about 400 lb below our GVWR.


Cris, Carol, Robbie, Cathy, and Reeses the Wonder Dog
2005 Four Winds Chateau Sport 28A



Posted By: rlynn68 on 04/01/10 03:33pm

1. Do you tow a TOAD : Yes ( 3 )
2. What is the year : 2000 E450
3. Size and make of your MH : 31’ Fleetwood Tioga
4. What is the vehicle you tow and how much does it weigh : 2004 VW Passat with tow dolly : Car = 3,300lbs / dolly = 550lbs / 2003 Jeep Wrangler = 5,000lbs / 2008 Saturn Outlook = 5,000lbs.

Ford E450 with upgraded frame extensions, hitch rated at 10,000lbs with 1,000lbs tongue weigh. Never had a problem with any of the above toad.


Best Regards,

Ron


Posted By: tjholyoke on 04/01/10 04:39pm

1. Yes
2. 2004 Coachmen Concord 235SO
3. Ford Focus, about 2600 lbs.






Posted By: woodworker414 on 04/01/10 05:08pm

HEY gbopp, is it a red concrete truck, I think that I saw your setup.
Happy April 1
Bill


WØWJU

2003 Gulfstream Cavaleir 29.5 V10 E450 normal bells & whistles. Toad 2008 Chevy HHR.



Posted By: woodworker414 on 04/01/10 05:12pm

Not just yet, but will tow a Ford Freestyle @ around 4k with a dolly, will upgrade the hitch and so some more frame extinsion work don't expect any problems, with a 29' E450, V10.
Bill


Posted By: mikeak on 04/01/10 05:56pm

I tried looking over in the towing section, but it seemed to be mostly applicable to Travel Trailers etc

So is there a good this is what you need thread for towing with an RV?

Do you use stabilizer / weight-distribution setups like an equalizer when towing with a RV? Do you use a break controller if you go with a dolly but not if you tow with the vehicle behind you? Disadvantage with a dolly seems to be harder to drive but no miles on the vehicle would be the advantage right?

Thanks!


Posted By: dleslie125 on 04/01/10 06:26pm

1. Do you tow a TOAD...Yes

2. What is the year, size and make of your MH? Jayco 2007 Greyhawk 32SS

3. What is the vehicle you tow and how much does it weigh? 2007 Tahoe LTZ - 5700 lbs


2011 Itasca Impulse 26QP Silver Toad 2014 Jeep Cherokee Limited
New W-I Class C Yahoo Group
07 Jayco 32SS Kodiak 8.1 • 06 HR Amb 40PLQ ISC • 04 Winnie Jrny 39W CAT • 2000 Triple E CDR F53
Member Super C RV Group


Posted By: tenbear on 04/01/10 06:35pm

As my signature says I tow, or I should say have towed, a Subaru Impreza Outback since I bought the MH in 04. It weighs about 3100 lbs. I have now replaced the Outback with a 2010 Impreza sedan, same weight. Tow it 4 wheels down with a Blue Ox tow bar and use a blue Ox Brake box. No equalizer, just a tow bar. Some people like a dolly, one more piece to store when in camp and I have seen people hooking them up in the rain, no thanks. Some cars can only be towed with a dolly. Most toads don't record the mileage when being towed.

Motorhome Magazine puts out an annual towing guide. Their web site also has info on towing. This forum also has a "Dingy Towing" section and is probably a better place to ask towing questions.


Class C, 2004/5 Four Winds Dutchman Express 28A, Chevy chassis
2010 Subaru Impreza Sedan
Camped in 45 states, 7 Provinces and 1 Territory



Posted By: marknpat on 04/01/10 08:00pm

Yes we tow. MH is an 09 Itasca Cambria 28B (2008 E450 chassis with air bags). The 28B is 30' long and the hitch is rated at 5,000#. We tow a 2008 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited, which weighs about 4700# with steel rockcrawler bumpers, winch, Hilift jack, and trail tools. The tow setup is; Ready Brute tow bar/surge brake with Roadmaster Hidden Hitch tow brackets. Supplemental brakes are a must as the chassis brakes on your new rig are only designed to stop the weight of the MH itself, NOT the weight of the MH and a TOAD. This setup is quick to hook-up and unhook as well as towing like a dream. Safe travels and enjoy the new rig.... Mark


Mark and Pat
09 Itasca Cambria 28B
08 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited (TOAD)
06 Jeep GC Overland 4x4 5.7 Hemi
"Fun is standard, Pavement is optional" JEEP



Posted By: PA-GUY on 04/01/10 08:07pm

Yes we tow with our class"C" 08 Jayco31SS on 07 E450. Toad 09Jeep Liberty, Blue Ox tow bar & Brake Buddy aux. brake. Simple,easy no problems.


2007 Jayco 31SS Greyhawk


Posted By: dgl2005 on 04/03/10 03:13pm

We tow with our Class C without any difficulty. We have a 2005 26' Dutchmen Dorado on an E450 Ford Chassis. Our Toad is a 2007 Chevy HHR at 3100 lbs curb weight. The E450 chassis is equipped with a 5000 lb hitch receiver and 350 lb rated tongue weight. We utilize a Blue Ox towing setup and a Brake Buddy system for the auxilliary brakes (recommended and in some state mandatory). Towing the car is easy and you do not know its behind you (looked at the back up camera about every 30 seconds the first time to be sure it was still there). As one previous thread stated, be sure you allow enogh room when passing, turning and especially at the fuel pumps. Good to have the passenger be an additional set of eyes.


Posted By: butterflyplants on 04/03/10 04:03pm

1. Do you have a toad--No but hopefully will have one on Monday
2. Year and size of MH--2006 29 foot Fleetwood Tioga. First MH. Was a rental and so far so good although I have heard some horror stories.
3. Toad--looking to purchase a 1988 Suzuki Samurai on Monday. Went to buy it on Friday but the owner did not have clear title. She has paperwork from Aunt but had not finalized paperwork.

Assuming all goes well am interested in knowing where to find information about towing this vehicle. The aunt towed behind their MH and it has a metal bar in front. Any Sammy owners can you share type of tow bars etc. Will I need to get a brake system? Also if any owners can share sources for parts, etc.

Have not posted hardly at all, but this site I read everyday and it is the best learning experience for me. Hopefully someday after I get veteran status I will be able to give back.

Thanks to all for the exceptional information exchange. It has been invaluable to me as I navigate my way through this new, exciting, but sometimes confusing and occasionally scary world. Can't say enough about how reassuring this information sharing can be for newbies. (We got ours in June 2009 and still learning, but feeling far more confident now).

Now onto the world of TOADS!!

Pete
Aromas, Ca.


2006 Fleetwood Tioga
29 Foot
1988 Suzuki Samurai (future toad)


Posted By: tenbear on 04/03/10 04:55pm

Pete, have a look at the Blue Ox, Roadmaster, and Motorhome Magazine websites. You should have a brake system and you should get your 22 year old car alligned before towing it.


Posted By: 4x4van on 04/03/10 11:12pm

1988 Jamboree 26', Ford E350, 460cid (carb), 3spd auto. I tow a 16' enclosed trailer with 2 ATCs, 1 Quad, 1 M/C, and all our riding gear, spare tires, tools, etc. Trailer is about 3700lbs loaded. Tows no problem, although I definitely feel it on the grades!




We don't stop playing because we grow old...We grow old because we stop playing!

1988 Fleetwood Jamboree S26 27'
Carson enclosed ATV Trailer
-'85 ATC250R (2), '85 BW200, '07 TRX400EX, '12 Husky TE310
Zieman Jetski Trailer
-'96 GTi, '96 Waveblaster II, '95 FX1



Posted By: tskalke on 04/04/10 12:13am

1. Do you tow a TOAD...Yep
2. What is the year, size and make of your MH?
2007 FW Chateau 31f
3. What is the vehicle you tow and how much does it weigh?
A) 1980 CJ7 flat tow w/reese tow bar 2400#
B) 20' flat deck trailer with 5 atv's total weight of 6643#
C) Gonna hitch a friends TT to it and go to Georgia this summer about 4900#

8.5 mpg at about 60 mph. average. Thinking I will have to move up to a DP when I buy a new enclosed trailer since I'm way past my limits now .


Posted By: Kamphiker on 04/04/10 07:08pm

'06 Winnebago Outlook (WF324V) Ford V10 / Torqshift Trans.
'09 Honda CR-V (3,300 lbs)
Blue Ox Base Plate, Blue Ox Aventa II Tow bar, Brake Buddy classic, Toad Charge.

Just returned from 1,680 mile round trip towing CRV from Florida up through Mountains of East Tenn (Smoky Mountains). Average Gas millage 8.2 MPG on all except Mountains could not get a good reading as We ran generator for a week off of the fill up in the mountains. This MPG was about 1 MPG less than we have gotten on the same route without a toad.

CRV tows real easy and don't know it's back there except in the mountains but even in the 7- 8% grades still was able to run 50 MPH without flooring it.

Very high winds(20 - 30 mph) side to slight head wind on most of return caused good bit of sway had to keep om=n top of the wheel. Also noticed that if the MH was outside of the "Ruts" on the higheway (I-75 & Fla, Turnpike) and the CRV wheels caught a truck rut it would cause some sway as it tracked out of the rut.


2006 Winnebago Outlook WF324V
2009 Honda CR-V 2wd TOAD ......Campgrounds in the Smoky Mountains NP
Last Camping trip ->2011 SUMMER SMOKY MOUNTAINS NATIONAL PARK



Posted By: miyzfrider on 04/04/10 07:12pm

Kamphiker wrote:

'06 Winnebago Outlook (WF324V) Ford V10 / Torqshift Trans.
'09 Honda CR-V (3,300 lbs)
Blue Ox Base Plate, Blue Ox Aventa II Tow bar, Brake Buddy classic, Toad Charge.

Just returned from 1,680 mile round trip towing CRV from Florida up through Mountains of East Tenn (Smoky Mountains). Average Gas millage 8.2 MPG on all except Mountains could not get a good reading as We ran generator for a week off of the fill up in the mountains. This MPG was about 1 MPG less than we have gotten on the same route without a toad.

CRV tows real easy and don't know it's back there except in the mountains but even in the 7- 8% grades still was able to run 50 MPH without flooring it.

Very high winds(20 - 30 mph) side to slight head wind on most of return caused good bit of sway had to keep om=n top of the wheel. Also noticed that if the MH was outside of the "Ruts" on the higheway (I-75 & Fla, Turnpike) and the CRV wheels caught a truck rut it would cause some sway as it tracked out of the rut.


That's a very similar setup to what I'd have with my 2003 31' Gulfstream and an '07 CRV. I'm curious about the 3300lb on your CRV? I understood the CRV to be around 3560lbs curb weight. Do you know what your GVCWR is on your MH?

Thanks for sharing your experience.


Posted By: Kamphiker on 04/04/10 07:43pm

miyzfrider wrote:

Kamphiker wrote:

'06 Winnebago Outlook (WF324V) Ford V10 / Torqshift Trans.
'09 Honda CR-V (3,300 lbs)
Blue Ox Base Plate, Blue Ox Aventa II Tow bar, Brake Buddy classic, Toad Charge.

Just returned from 1,680 mile round trip towing CRV from Florida up through Mountains of East Tenn (Smoky Mountains). Average Gas millage 8.2 MPG on all except Mountains could not get a good reading as We ran generator for a week off of the fill up in the mountains. This MPG was about 1 MPG less than we have gotten on the same route without a toad.

CRV tows real easy and don't know it's back there except in the mountains but even in the 7- 8% grades still was able to run 50 MPH without flooring it.

Very high winds(20 - 30 mph) side to slight head wind on most of return caused good bit of sway had to keep om=n top of the wheel. Also noticed that if the MH was outside of the "Ruts" on the higheway (I-75 & Fla, Turnpike) and the CRV wheels caught a truck rut it would cause some sway as it tracked out of the rut.


That's a very similar setup to what I'd have with my 2003 31' Gulfstream and an '07 CRV. I'm curious about the 3300lb on your CRV? I understood the CRV to be around 3560lbs curb weight. Do you know what your GVCWR is on your MH?

Thanks for sharing your experience.


The CRV is a LX 2wd 3,389 LBS Curb Weight (EX-L 4x4 is 3,549 lbs)

The Outlook is on the E350 Chassis it has a factory installed receiver rated @ 5,000 Lbs.

GCWR: 18,500
GVWR: 11,500


Posted By: BTLover on 04/06/10 08:46pm

Just recently towed my Toyota Prius (~2,900 lbs.) using a rented tow dolly behind my Jayco Greyhawk 31FK. No problem towing at all. Tow dolly worked fine but I'm looking at the Ford Edge to pull 4 wheels down with a tow bar. Seems like this is a much easier set-up.


2010 Jayco Greyhawk 31FK


Posted By: freestyle_don on 04/07/10 01:27pm

`05 Dutchman Dorado E450. We tow an`07 Honda CRV. Roadmaster Falcon`All terrain towbar. Follow the manfr instructions for towing the Honda. Btw,should you decide to tow the Honda feel free to contact me for some light wiring info:

freestyle_don(at)stidotnet

Don


Posted By: ron.dittmer on 04/07/10 02:37pm

Kamphiker wrote:

'06 Winnebago Outlook (WF324V) Ford V10 / Torqshift Trans.......CRV tows real easy and don't know it's back there except in the mountains but even in the 7- 8% grades still was able to run 50 MPH without flooring it.
The beauty of the Ford chassis with V10 & Torqshift. I wonder how a Sprinter would handle that load under those conditions.


Posted By: Roadfrog on 04/09/10 03:17pm

I have to laugh at the, "don't even know it's there" comments! I tow a 20 ft boat weighing 3k lbs through the Cascade Mountains (SR20 near Winthrop WA) every year and definately know it's there. Especially when compared to when I'm not towing. My mileage also knows something's up! LOL. I have the E450 chassis with the V10. Top speed thru the mountains is 45mph with my foot through the floor churning 4500 rpm or so for about 20 mins. On the plus side, the engine never faulters/overheats nor does the tranny (I have a trans temp gauge). Also, manoueveribility and towing ease is awseome.


Cheers
Chris

1999 Winnebago Itasca Spirit 29N
1988 Campion Allante 195


Posted By: Kamphiker on 04/10/10 05:18am

Roadfrog wrote:

I have to laugh at the, "don't even know it's there" comments! I tow a 20 ft boat weighing 3k lbs through the Cascade Mountains (SR20 near Winthrop WA) every year and definately know it's there. Especially when compared to when I'm not towing. My mileage also knows something's up! LOL. I have the E450 chassis with the V10. Top speed thru the mountains is 45mph with my foot through the floor churning 4500 rpm or so for about 20 mins. On the plus side, the engine never faulters/overheats nor does the tranny (I have a trans temp gauge). Also, manoueveribility and towing ease is awseome.


Honesty is the best policy

I really don't feel it behind me except in the mountains and at the gas pump. Like you going up steep inclines is where I know it's there Plus going down the inclines.
The V10 is a nice motor with a lot of grunt but it starts to get very noisy above 3,000 rpm and starts to sound like a jar of marbles above 4,000.
The needed increase of RPM's to conquer steep mountain grades is where I know the toad is behind me. The Torqshift Transmission on our '06 is a nice addition but when in 3rd and I tap the brake and it downshifts to 2nd that jar of marbles gets louder and I'm not use to it yet.
There is a night and day difference driving the same mountain passes with and without the TOAD.


Posted By: Usmc68 on 06/30/10 03:37am

We just purchased a 1994 Callista Cove 26' (Ford E350, 460cu 7.5L)
and plan on towing a 12' enclosed dual axle trailer with brakes. The hitch on the MH is rated at 4000lbs. We have not weighed the MH or the trailer but do not expect to have any issues. We suspect the trailer weighs about 1700lbs Empty (with all our junk we do not think we will pass the 4000#). We are planning on taking both to the dump to get weighed, before and after. We might even have to play "biggest loser" with our stuff and head to the local GoodWill and do some donating!

* This post was edited 06/30/10 04:00am by Usmc68 *


Posted By: tenbear on 06/30/10 06:32pm

As my signature indicates I tow a toad. A 2010 Subaru Impreza Sedan, it weighs 3100 pounds. Previously I towed a 2002 Subaru Impreza outback, also 3100 pounds.

Oops - forgot I had previously replied to this thread, sorry.

2005 Dutchman Express 28A on a Chevy chassis

* This post was edited 06/30/10 06:41pm by tenbear *


Posted By: 4Eddielee on 06/30/10 07:01pm

1. Yes
2. '99 Jayco Designer 2830G (29ft)- "Tow'd Haul"
3. '99 Chevy Tracker (4 down) 3200# - "J. Thaddius Tow'd"
Over the last 10 years, I've averaged 7.8 MPG towing and 8.2 MPG not towing!
I've broken down too many times in 55+ years of camping, to be without a tow'd (cell phones don't reach everywhere).


Posted By: xteacher on 06/30/10 09:27pm

Does anyone tow a Mazda Miata? DH has one, and we'd like to get a Class C in the future, towing the Miata. We also have a Ford Escape, if the Miata isn't a good toad. Opinions??


Beth and Joe
3 Grown, Non-camping children
1 Future Camper - Granddaughter Alice (born 6/25/14 )
3 Camping Rescue Pups: Maddie (malti-poo/westie?), Sunny (toy poodle), and Jackson (boxer)

2014 Starcraft AR-ONE 14RB
2010 Nissan Pathfinder


Posted By: tenbear on 07/01/10 05:29am

Iteachmiddleschool wrote:

Does anyone tow a Mazda Miata? DH has one, and we'd like to get a Class C in the future, towing the Miata. We also have a Ford Escape, if the Miata isn't a good toad. Opinions??


A friend of mine towed a Miata with his Class A. He has since moved to Florida and we have lost touch.


Posted By: memoryroads on 07/01/10 02:23pm

Prepping for a tow'd, but now just bought 2 foldable aluminum bikes for touring close in.
If we want to go further than a mile or so, we can turn the key and go. That is an advantage of a 23.5' class C, if you are generally 'on the move'. We like to keep things as simple as possible if we are moving alot-which we seem to do.
IF, we decide to just go somewhere and drop our anchor for a weekend or month or ?, then the option of a tow'd is something we will have covered in advance.
We can tow 6000 lbs but just bought a Hyundai Elantra Touring Man. Trany.@ 3000 lbs./ and tow bar. Next is braking system. still researching.

We spent yesterday with a young couple/family/ who have visions of a Class A with all toys in tow. Could not get across the concept of KISS travel. Can't imagine how many places we could not enjoy if our rig was too long for some simplicity, but do have memories of difficulties even at our size and nothing hitched on.


Our Class-C M.H.'s projects and travels
Our Boat's projects and travels


Posted By: Healeyman on 07/03/10 08:05am

Iteachmiddleschool wrote:

Does anyone tow a Mazda Miata?


I have towed a 2000 5-speed Miata over 30,000 miles in the past 4 years. The Miata is great to tow and even greater as you come zipping into the RV park with the top down and get admiring looks from others climbing out of their Saturns and Jeeps.

I have helped over a dozen others to tow their Miatas and am very familiar with what needs to be done and with sources of tow equipment.

PM me with any questions. I'll be glad to help.

Tim




Posted By: Budster on 04/01/10 08:24pm

1. Do you tow a TOAD...Yes
2. 2000 Lazy Daze 30IB
3. 2006 HHR 3100 lbs


ymmv,
Jerry
2000 Lazy Daze 30' IB



Posted By: ron.dittmer on 04/01/10 09:13pm

c&cschroed wrote:

We tow a 2005 Chevy Aveo
Is that 4 wheel down or on a tow dolly?

We owned a 2004 Chevy Aveo stick shift but couldn't tow it because GM said it would void the warrantee. At that point, nobody sold a tow bar for it. We loved that little orange hatchback, but had to sell it because of the towing restriction.

I wonder if the 05s on-up are approved for 4-wheel-down towing with tow bars available. If so, they would make a great tow vehicle.


Posted By: tatest on 04/01/10 11:29pm

What is in my signature. The Ranger weighs around 3100 when I tow it, since it is about 3300 on the scales at the dump with me in it, after I've dumped.


Tom Test
Itasca Spirit 29B



Posted By: Deb and Ed M on 04/02/10 08:11am

mikeak wrote:

I tried looking over in the towing section, but it seemed to be mostly applicable to Travel Trailers etc

So is there a good this is what you need thread for towing with an RV?

Do you use stabilizer / weight-distribution setups like an equalizer when towing with a RV? Do you use a break controller if you go with a dolly but not if you tow with the vehicle behind you? Disadvantage with a dolly seems to be harder to drive but no miles on the vehicle would be the advantage right?

Thanks!


You want the "Dinghy Towing" thread :-)


Posted By: donee on 04/02/10 08:54am

1. Do you tow a TOAD...Yes, wouldnt leave home without it.
2. What is the year, size and make of your MH?
MH is a 2005 29' Monaco Esquire
3. What is the vehicle you tow and how much does it weigh?
Toad is a 09 Jeep wrangler 4 dr, using a Road MAster setup and towed 4 down and weighs about 4000#
Hardly feel the Jeep when on the road and mileage isnt really any different with or without it.
Hope this helps you some.

* This post was edited 04/02/10 09:01am by donee *


donnie (K7UTA) & Linda
1 rescued furrykid "Buddy"
08 Monaco Monarch 30SFS
09 Jeep Wrangler Sahara Unlimited.


Posted By: ron.dittmer on 04/02/10 10:00am

mikeak wrote:

Do you use stabilizer / weight-distribution setups
We had installed a rear Henderson Trac bar which keeps the rear of the RV from tail wagging, amplified when towing. It seems to be very effective. Our RV does not move side to side at all.


Posted By: c&cschroed on 04/02/10 12:00pm

ron.dittmer wrote:

c&cschroed wrote:

We tow a 2005 Chevy Aveo
Is that 4 wheel down or on a tow dolly?


My answer won't be very popular here, but we tow four-down using a Blue Ox tow bar setup. We have an automatic so I tow with the engine running in neutral to keep the tranny fluid circulating. Not ideal, I know, but it's a temporary solution. I'd planned to pick up a Jeep for our official toad but the economy situation has slowed that down a bit.

The car gets around 125 MPG behind the RV. We only do this a couple of times a year.


Posted By: 20anOut on 04/02/10 01:36pm

1. Do you tow a TOAD...Yes
2. What is the year, size and make of your MH? 2008 Winnebago 29B 30'
3. What is the vehicle you tow and how much does it weigh? 2010 Lincoln MKX, 4200#

Banks Power System for the mountains...

Hooked up with a Breakmaster system.

* This post was edited 04/03/10 01:32pm by 20anOut *


Posted By: JeffH on 04/02/10 08:51pm

We have a 2005 Jayco Greyhawk 30GS with two slides. It is almost 31' long. We tow our Dodge Grand Caravan with a tow dolly. The dolly weighs 600 pounds and the van is about 4200 pounds. We have had no problems towing it. We have the triton V-10 engine with the 5 speed automatic transmission. Our signature shows our rig, although the old van is in the pictue...it was a 2004, our new van is a 2008.

The GCVWR for the MH is 19,500 pounds. Our loaded weight with 4 people, 1 dog, all our stuff, a full tank of gas, and 1/3 tank of fresh water is about 13,500 pounds. With the van in tow we're at about 18,300 pounds, still 1,200 pounds under our ultimate limit. The biggest thing I've learned driving it is that you need to allow plenty of stopping distance. It handles great, but I leave plenty of space just in case.

I built a secondary light bar that I mount to the van's roof rack for additional signal and brake lights as the dolly's are hard to see sometimes. I've also learned to scope out gas stations and restaurants carefully to make sure I can pull through without backing up. It's great to have a vehicle with us because we like to explore the area whenever we camp. Make sure you check your rig's weights carefully to make sure your within limits...and be sure to weigh the MH with it loaded so you know your real weights. Good luck!


Jeff, Heather, Megan, and Josh
2005 Jayco Greyhawk 30GS



Posted By: JesseJ1826 on 04/03/10 06:28am

Ours is a 2001 E450 V10 with 4 speed transmission with 31 ft. 4 Winds coach, towing 06 Saturn Vue which weighs about 3800 lbs. Hitch and frame extensions have been upgraded to 5000 lb. rating. Tow with Blue Ox bar and base plate and a Brake Buddy. Presently on our way home after having spent the winter in Yuma. The only difficulty we have had is in the mountains where the tranny dropped down to second gear with the engine screaming. Kind of unnerving if one is not used to it.
Other than that the rig is quite happy cruising in OD at about 60 MPH.
Haven't had a chance to check the mileage yet.


J J

2001 Four Winds Chateau 31N E450 V10
2006 Saturn Vue V6 AWD, drivetrain by Honda, body by Tupperware
Aventa II, Brake Buddy


Posted By: miyzfrider on 04/03/10 06:53am

JeffH wrote:

The GCVWR for the MH is 19,500 pounds.


There lies my issue. Mine is 17,500, which I know was lower than the new standards. I still have the Ford E450 Triton V-10, but with the 2000lb less rating, I'm not sure if I can pull something like my CRV, at least within the specs. I guess I need to go get my rig weighed to see what it actually does weigh so I can determine if the extra 200-300 lbs would be an issue at all.

I wonder what is different between years when the 19,500lb GVCWR and 17,500lb GVCWR? Is it a chassis redesign, engine or transmission difference or simply a decision across the industry that more people want to tow, and the rigs can handle it so let's up it since they can anyway?

* This post was edited 04/03/10 07:07am by miyzfrider *


Posted By: lmntree on 04/03/10 02:09pm

Hello,
I tow a 2007 Ford Focus SES 4 dr sedan with a 5 speed manual. It weighs about 2600 lbs. and tows like a dream. I also get 37to 38 mpg highway driving, 30 to 31 around town. It is a fun car to drive.
My MH is a 2007 Jayco greyhawk 31ss which at this time is up for sale because we would like to move up to a 34' or 35' class A and go down to 1 car. Good Luck.

* This post was edited 04/03/10 02:15pm by lmntree *


Posted By: lestermcfester on 08/19/10 07:56am

This is a great thread. I have been trying to decide if I could tow my 06 Sebring Convertible behind our 02 Winnie Minnie. And this thread has given me great confidence.

It will require a tow dolly to make this work for us.

Quick question. Any one using a tow dolly, are you using one with or without brakes? With or without wiring toad's lights to the RV's?

Thanks again for the thread.


Posted By: JAXFL on 08/19/10 08:37am

Have been towing a 2008 Chevy Colorado behind the 32' Class C for 1000's of miles, the Colorado comes in at 4300# setting behind the MH. Need the truck as the DW wants to go to yard sales when out and you never know what she is ging to get.


Posted By: jimmymac66 on 08/19/10 10:03am

I have a 2010 Jayco Greyhawk and tow a 2003 Honda Odyssey. Odyssey is < 4000lbs.


Posted By: Jason Nipp on 08/19/10 04:04pm

I have a 99 Itasca Spirit 31T E450

I dolly tow a 2004 Hyundai Elantra Curb weight is about 2700 lbs.

My Towmaster Dolly weighs another 620 lbs.


99 Itasca Spirit 31T



Posted By: mowermech on 08/19/10 02:08pm

1. Yes.
2. 1995 Tioga 29H on a Ford E350 chassis
3. At the present time, 2006 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited, mildly modified. This will soon change. I have no idea what it weighs, and don't care. I use an inexpensive A-frame adjustable width towbar and magnetic lights.


CM1, USN (RET)
2002 Fleetwood Southwind 32V, Ford V10
Toad 1: '06 PT Cruiser, Kar Kaddy dolly
Toy (and Toad 2): 2001 Dodge QC SWB, 360 Magnum, Auto, 4X4
"When seconds count, help is only minutes away!"


Posted By: rockhillmanor on 08/19/10 02:23pm

4Eddielee wrote:

1. Yes
2. '99 Jayco Designer 2830G (29ft)- "Tow'd Haul"
3. '99 Chevy Tracker (4 down) 3200# - "J. Thaddius Tow'd"
Over the last 10 years, I've averaged 7.8 MPG towing and 8.2 MPG not towing!
I've broken down too many times in 55+ years of camping, to be without a tow'd (cell phones don't reach everywhere).


You know using the toad for breakdowns didn't even enter into 'my' mind until it happened. First you go thru all the what now as you pull off the road like in the old days before the toad......then a lightbulb goes off...no problem, put the dogs in the Toad, go to a motel, watch some cable and let the mechanic figure it all out!

I was VERY fortunate to find a mint 4x4, 4 door, Tracker. seats 5 and still has a storage area behind the back seat, weighs in at 3,200. I gotta admit on the straight aways I DO forget its back there!

I manage on the straight aways to get 11 mpg on the V10 towing, the key with the V10 is to hold it steady at 55 mph go over 55 mph by 1 mph and your mpg goes down the drain!


"Live life like it's your last day.
One day you will be right."



Posted By: olburro on 08/20/10 03:31pm

I tow a 4000 lb. Nissan pathfinder. No problem, but I have brakes on the towed vehicle.


Olburro
2004 Itasca Spirit 29B
2002 Nissan Pathfinder w/Remco driveshaft disconnect & SMI towbrake



Posted By: Usmc68 on 08/23/10 01:57pm

Howdy folks-

Just my 2Cents. I recently purchased a 1994 Callista Cove 28' MH with 38k miles. The beast has a 7.5l Ford V-8. We recently moved from Maryland to Guaymas Mexico to help out at an orphanage. My wife had stuffed the RV full, I mean FULL, and we were also towing a 14' dual axle covered trailer full of furniture. I was amazed at how well the vehicle handled, even on some bad and very narrow Mexican "highways" with no shoulder. I had no stabilizer bars or anything, just smart packing. After 3,000 miles in two weeks, I bid you a good night.
Stay safe
Sempfer Fi


Posted By: thesaads on 08/23/10 05:49pm

We have a 2007 Jayco Greyhawk 31foot with a Triton V10. We toad pull a 2008 Jeep Liberty everywhere. The weight of the Jeep is 4300lbs and we use a Demco Alluminator rated for 6500lbs for the hitch.


Posted By: calvinator on 08/23/10 08:49pm

I tow a 97 Jeep Cherokee w/3.5" lift kit at 31" tires. Approx 3400 lbs. I also use the toad as my extra storage compartment for gas grill, propane tank, cooler, etc. Also use the toad for for 4-5 bikes. Loaded up, I'm probably at 4000lbs.

E350 has plenty of power. I do know the toad is there, I feel it nudging the MH here and there. But, no stability issues with 80PSI tires and new Monroe Magnum RV shocks. Only challenge is passing semis -- I've learned when they come up on the left side, I "nudge nudge" steer to the left and I'm good. I tow around 60MPH.





1992 Seven Seas by Cobra
Overhauled & Customized.
Vacation rig for DW, DS(11),DS(10),DS(7)and a mighty Maltese.
Fav mod=Hott Rodd elec water heater - no propane!.
Jeep Cherokee toad w/Excali-bar and ReadyBrake
2011 nights camped=1, plan=20 (broken leg)



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