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Posted: 06/27/10 08:36am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

As I'm seeing it only #1 and #2 are your options if you want easy worry free cornering/jacknifing.

With #3 the question comes to mind. Why buy a hitch and a pin box when you 5er already comes with a pin box?

IMHO #4 and #5 aren't even options.

I guess after 7 seasons of worry free no incident cornering/jacknifing with my SuperGlide Im just a little bit biased.



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Posted: 06/27/10 09:10am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

wandering1 wrote:

No, you need a long bed PU if you want to tow a 5er.

Should Shortbed Trucks Tow Fifth Wheels?


So if you read the article, if you have a Chevy or GMC short bed you should not tow a 5er. So all the trucks you see doing this can't do it according to GM. We know this is bull.


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Posted: 06/27/10 10:32am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I knew he would post with that stupid link, happens every time. Someone should get a over/under started before he chimes in. Anyway my last truck was a SB with a slider, I didn't use it but a hand full of times. I was sure glad it was there during a wrong turn in Frisco once, yep had to make a tight u turn. I would say SB = slider, LB= standard hitch. I think a slider is cheaper than a window. As Client said " you feel lucky punk?"


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Posted: 06/27/10 10:52am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

wandering1 wrote:

No, you need a long bed PU if you want to tow a 5er.

Should Shortbed Trucks Tow Fifth Wheels?



I'm not sure who knows less; the guy who penned the article or the guy who posted it.

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wandering1 wrote:

No, you need a long bed PU if you want to tow a 5er.

Should Shortbed Trucks Tow Fifth Wheels?
BS! Not THAT totally misleading article again! I really wish you guys would quit quoting that! Please do some homework next time!

There are a lot of people, including me, out here towing quite happily with a "standard" box thank you!
Dig deep and you will find it is referring to the Super-short 5'6" boxes "NOT" (what is now called "standard") 6'6" boxes.

All Manufacturers have tow ratings for fifth wheels on the 6'6" box. I can't find ANY for the 5'6" box.


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kaydeejay wrote:

Your trailer is 96" wide. half of that is 48".
Your pin is going to be between 30" and 36" from your cab.


Actually, the GM short bed has a Cab-to-Axle distance of 41.6 inches, Ford is 40 inches and Dodge is 36.8 inches. This number is for upfitters installing aftermarket beds, so it is the distance to the lower part of the cab. With any curvature in the back of the cab, distance will be greater that C-A. If the hitch is placed 1-2 inches in front of the axle, only Dodge could be less than 36 inches. The only ways to get a distance of 30 inches is with today's super short beds or a non extended pin box.

Certainly nothing wrong with a slider, but they aren't required. I started with a GM 6-1/2 ft bed before there were aftermarket sliders, manual or auto, or the Sidewinder. 60-65 degrees is greater than any TT can be jack-knifed and there are no options for them.


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Posted: 06/27/10 11:30am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Read the manual. click and scroll to page 5-64

Or if you don't want to download the manual, you can read below:
This information from 2010 Chevrolet Silverado Owner Manual

The hitch should be located in the pickup bed so that its
centerline is over or slightly in front of the rear axle.
Take care that it is not so far forward that it will contact
the back of the cab in sharp turns. This is especially
important for short box pickups. Trailer pin box
extensions and sliding fifth wheel hitch assemblies can
help this condition.
There should be at least six inches
of clearance between the top of the pickup box and the
bottom of the trailer shelf that extends over the box.


So much for rvguru's opinion. And since wondering1 always recommends reading and following the owners manual, maybe he should practice what he preaches.

Also noted in this manuals towing specs, there is distinction between short box, standard box, and long box. The short box is shown ONLY available in the 1500 crew cab model. All other models are regular box or long box. Also the 1500 LONG box is "not recommended or intended for fifth wheel or gooseneck towing" (footnote 'C') if engine/RAR combinations 4.3L V6 with 3.23, 3.73 RAR's or 4.8L V8 with 3.23 RAR and also 1500 reg cab and ext cab LONG box with those combo's and 4wd 5.3L V8 with 3.08 RAR.

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BS! Not THAT totally misleading article again! I really wish you guys would quit quoting that! Please do some homework next time!

Agreed !

I've been pulling 32 and 35.5 foot 5ers with a Ford short box for 10 years. Never once slid the hitch back. Never had an accident. Never had a campsite I couldn't get into.







While you are selecting your hitch, be sure to get one that doesn't allow the trailer to be unhooked when it seems like its hooked. I recommend a Hijacker double pivot. It has a 2 position mounting base in case you ever need to slide your hitch back.

The newer trailers with the radiused front cap allow for might sharper truck to trailer angles. And they are more aerodynamic to boot.

The closer the trailer nose is to the back of the cab the more aerodynamic the unit is going to be.

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Posted: 06/27/10 12:42pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I dont think the 2002 nosecaps are designed to accommodate the short bed. So the answer is Maybe.

There are many factors.
- Where you plan to camp
- Where you store your rig
- Roads and filling stations on your route
- your driving skills - can you ALWAYS remember and be aware

Im sure if you forget, it will ruin your day.

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I will tell you a Reese hitch in a Ford is the worst of them all for hitch position. The hitch will typically land about 4" ahead of the axle which reduces a bit more than Dodge and GM/Chev.

* This post was edited 06/27/10 07:40pm by wittmeba *


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Posted: 06/27/10 01:45pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

It doesn't cost that much more for a manual slider. It is cheap insurance against a broken back window. Get one!


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