scootersparky
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Think of who makes the Duramax, its made by Isuzu, what does that tell ya? Japanese made.
2001 Chevy 2500 HD,4x4 6.0, 4:10 gears /2001 Cougar 281 EFS 30ft. fifth wheel/ Drawtite 16k dual pivot hitch
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JIMMY034
Springville, NY (S. of Buffalo)
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The D-max is BUILT by Isuzu (much to my disgust) but was designed by Americans. GM just wants to cut costs to offset the money they lose because of all the 'loyal' 'Americans' who buy Jap.
Obviously you loyal Jap auto buyers don't work for a company that makes anything for the U.S. (Big 3) auto industry. If you do, besides shaming yourself, you will be the cause of your own rude awakening when you lose your job because of what is parked in your driveway.
Buy a GM product and my kids eat. Buy a Toy-ota and it's just a matter of time before they don't eat!
2005 Silverado 2500HD 4X4 C/C/6.0/4.10/Pullrite Super 5th/Prodigy.
2004 Puma 249RBS fifth-wheel bunkhouse.
Jim, Darlene, Michael, Sam, Brian and Hollyann, and cats Biscuit and Stardst USAF/GULF WAR VET.
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chuckb1
louisville,co usa
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Jimmy,
What are you doing for your TV, VCR, Stereo, DVD player, cameras, etc, etc, etc?? Aren't they all built by some off shore company? At least Toyota is allowing many, many Americans to earn a living.
I can't wait for that Toyota 3/4 ton!!!
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JIMMY034
Springville, NY (S. of Buffalo)
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LOL.....yeah, I know, you really can't get away from them, but at least we still make vehicles (for now). Oh well, just venting my opinion. Don't anyone take it the wrong way. I still have the right to my opinion, and my Chevy  .
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Lucy's People
Too Expensive Northern Californ-i-a USA!
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Jimmy,
I'm getting REAL tired of hearing you and others use the word "Jap". It offends me. My husband is Japanese and is a real gentleman. I have two children whom we love to death. You may be helpful on the forum to others when it comes to figuring which of the "Big 3" trucks to use as a tow vehicle, but you are not a gentleman.
Sorry, I just can't stand this disrespectful talk anymore.
Linda
Mas, Linda, 2 kiddos (one away at college)
Lucy, our effervescent Jack Russell
2003 Newmar Scottsdale, W22
Our vacation home on wheels, how cool!
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jwilliamson
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It's just an abbreviation, like D-max. I don't want to speak on his behalf, but it doesn't come off as an ethnic slur, but an abbreviation. I happen to agree, buy American.
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JIMMY034
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Linda (Lucy's People),
I take offense by you saying that I am not a gentleman (personally, I don’t care what you think of me). Not so much as saying it, but how you justify it. I use the word 'Jap' in the same context as foreigners use the term ‘Yank’ to describe an American, or a ‘Kraut’ to describe a German (of which I am by descent). I called no one a name, made fun of no one, and did not personally attack anyone on this thread. You said you were getting tired of me AND THE OTHERS using that term, yet it was me you made the 'example' out of. If anyone attacked anyone, it was you who attacked me. Is history repeating itself?
*This Message was edited on 28-Aug-02 07:14 PM by JIMMY034*
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chuckb1
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Hey Jimmy,
I heard Toyota bought out Rockwood and is going to start manufacturing travel trailers with real quality and reliability.
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Ag Teacher
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All of you guys that say the Japs can't build any thing but compacts need to look around at the delivery trucks. Isuzu, Mitsubishi, Nissan all build medium dutys including one tons, they just don't have pickups. Isuzu builds the cab over GMCs and Chevys. Below are the stats for the class 3 and 4 Isuzu diesels.
GVWR 12,000 lbs. 14,500 lbs.
GCWR 18,000 lbs. 19,500/20,500 (Man./Auto)
Body/Payload Allowance 1
6,389-6,720 lbs. * 8,878-9,209 lbs. *
GAWR
-Front 4,700 lbs. 5,360 lbs.
-Rear 7,950 lbs. 9,880 lbs.
Front Axle Capacity 6,830 lbs.
Rear Axle
-Capacity 11,020 lbs.
-Ratio 4.10/5.375 (STD/AT)
Suspension, Front & Rear2
-Type Semi-Elliptical Leaf Springs *
-Capacity, Front & Rear 5,360-9,880 lbs. *
Engine
-Type Turbo/Intercooled Diesel/4HE1-TC
-Displacement 4.75 L (290.0 CID)
-Horsepower (Gross)
-M/T 142 HP @ 2,800 RPM
-A/T 175 HP @ 2,700 RPM
-Torque (Gross)
-M/T 275 lbs./ft. @ 1,300 RPM
-A/T 347 lbs./ft. @ 2,000 RPM
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5thwheeler
Southern California
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Id say you got it backward. Isuzu designed the engine and in a joint venture with GM, they are making them here in the good old US of A with union labor. Don't take my word for it. Check it out yourselves.
www.dieselnet.com/news/9907gm.html
www.duramaxdiesel.com/01_features/sub01.htm
www.suburbancentral.com/duramax.htm
www.dieselnet.com/news/0009isuzu.html
www.4wdonline.com/GM/GM.html
www.gm.com/cgi-bin/pr_display.pl?614
GM is turning Japanese's I really think so.
If you can't beat them, join them. GM is finally getting the picture. Check and see how much stock GM owns in Japanese companies.
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