NeedinPower
Beaver Dam, WI
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Now that I am not commenting on weight issues, I will change my tune to "Tow as much as You and your truck can safely tow." To me that makes the most sense. Maybe the truck can handle it but the driver is the weakest link. Maybe the truck is a little weak but the driver is skilled and very careful.
I know you have your hearts in the right spot.
By the way, my truck is listed as 26,000 gross with the 5.13 gears. I thought that was a bit tall to put in there.
2006 Dodge Ram 3500 MEGA Cab 4x4 CTD
2002 325 Jayco 5vr
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ttharrisons
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You know, that's interesting. Last week we were on several web sites looking at Ford trucks. There were several Ford F250's listed that showed towing capacity of 2000 lbs. We thought that was strange as well.
Let me know if you find an answer or explanation.
Derrick/Brenda/2 kids & Sissy (our Yellow Lab)
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Rob Wilkinson
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Quote:By the way, I'm sure you know what I'm hooking up to your truck that you can't pull, yet it only weighs 50lbs. Actually, I don't. Please, do tell.
-- Rob
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buzzyng
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Wow, I never would have thought I could generate that much 'traffic' :-) This has been very insightful. I am a very careful driver and am not worried about going over by a little but just didn't want to go way over. Thanks again for all the input.
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NeedinPower
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Rob,
I could hook up a 500 square foot nylon parachute. In a wind it would pull your truck backwards.
But it only weighs 50lbs.
My point is there is so much more than the Holy Sticker to consider like the C.O.G.S. would have you believe. ( Church of the Gross Sticker = COGS) These preachers have the GVWR sticker pasted on their nose and cannot see all the other factors of pulling a trailer. They don't take into account the route, will you pull in mountains or flat? Can't you pull more on flat? Will you be travelling 70mph on freeways or 45 on back roads? COGS don't care. If the weight is less than the ink says on line 12B of the Holy Sticker, they can pull it. So what if the driver is blind, the tires are flat, and the brakes are shot, the sticker is the sticker is the sticker.
Follow the sticker and ye shall be saved!!
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Wladyslaw
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Well have I received an education or what? I have spent the past three hours reading every post on towing and towing vehicles. I even searched for key words in the forum but still feel I must pose my questions:
I am retiring my 1989 Ford F250 Diesel 4wd 250+K miles with which I have towed a two horse gooseneck trailer just fine.
I am considering buying a 2003 Toyota Tundra to tow the same trailer. Here are the mfg specs for both:
Tundra Engine - 4.7 liter DOHC 32 valve EFI i-FORCE V-8, 240 HP @ 4,800 rpm, 315 lb-ft @3,400rpm
Tundra Rear Differential - 3.91:1
Tundra Curb weight - 4,490 lbs
Tundra GVWR - 6,200 lbs
Tundra Payload - 1,710 lbs
Tundra GCWR - 11,800 lbs
1989 Trailet West Wind Classic Gooseneck 2 horse
tandem axle 3,500 lbs each = 7,000 max load
Empty trailer curb weight 4,195 lbs
tongue weight (does this mean pin weight?) 984 lbs
Estimated weight of horses @1,200 lbs = 2,400 lbs this brings total weight 6,595 lbs.
My question is that too much trailer for the truck?
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Kusani
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Hiya...
I strongly, very strongly, recommend you stick with something equivalent to the 250 diesel you are retiring and imo the Tundra does not meed those specs.
Good luck. 
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Wladyslaw
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Would you believe the Toyota dealer just called with the following information he had to research:
2003 Toyota Tundra V8 described above:
7,200 pound towing capacity plus 1,800 pound bed load.
For a total 9,000 pound combined.
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willald
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"7,200 pound towing capacity plus 1,800 pound bed load.
For a total 9,000 pound combined. "
Now, thats about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while. You put 9000 lbs behind a Toyota truck, you'd burn it up real quick.
I believe, somebody at the dealership either lied, or is very ignorant. That "tow rating" of 7200 lbs assumes the truck is empty, except the driver and maybe one other passenger. It does NOT mean you can add 1800 lbs more to it, just because the truck's GVWR can handle it. If you add 1800 lbs of weight to the bed of the trailer, you have to SUBTRACT that from the tow rating, not add it!
What do you think guys? Is this about one of the biggest piles of excrement you've heard, from a dealer?
Will & Angela
2 children that love camping, Stephen & Allison
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ph39
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I agree, you cant add the payload to the tow rating.
By the way, how can a person from "uniontown" by a Toyota? I'm not a "buy american" finatic, and I understand that Toyota makes great vehicles, but my opinion is that if there is an american made product that is comparable, then I'm going to buy it first.
Yes - the Toyota truck is made here, but much of the engineering, managment, and profits don't stay here.
All things being equal, if you want to support the US economy buy a Truck from (in order):
1. GM and Ford
2. Dodge (just slightly below as DCX (from Germany) is slowly taking more and more over. I bought one recently, but I'm afraid in another 5 years its going to be more of a German company than an American Company.
3. Toyota (at least its built in the North America and they have made good progress in local sourcing of parts)
4. Nissan - Lower down on the local sourcing and local management - plus the added strike that they are controlled by Renault (a Fench Company)
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